(March 18, 2015 at 1:17 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:(March 18, 2015 at 5:50 am)Riketto Wrote: There is nothing wrong with things that change.
The wrong thing is to believe that among 100% change you can find something that DOESN"T change.
The river flows and flows.
Have you ever seen a river that all of a sudden stop flowing 100%?
Ever hear of winter?
1) It stop slowly not all of a sudden.
2) Under the top layer of ice sometime it still flows.
Quote:How do you expect to find something that doesn't move and change within this physical reality?
Quote:With evidence.
Quote:Show me the evidence that there is something that doesn't move and change in this physical reality and i will cover you in pure gold.
Quote:No thanks.
Exactly as i already knew it.
You can't.

Quote:As i just explain to brother surgen the real reality is unchangeable therefore it is obvious that your scientific method can not possibly understand the real reality.
Quote:Science is designed to study real reality.
If it can't study it, it ain't real.
Wrong again.
Science can only study this relative reality not the real reality.
Science (physical science) is only dealing with the universal reality which move and change all he time and therefore can not possibly be the real reality.
Quote:By showing you that anything that move and change can not be the real reality it is obvious that the universe can not be the REAL reality.
From here even a demented idiot would understand that the REAL reality is elsewhere other than in this universe.
Quote:No.
Yes.

(March 17, 2015 at 9:18 am)FatAndFaithless Wrote: The fact that you guys are still running in circles with this yahoo is impressive.
Quote:Plumb let me explain how the system in this case works.
Your outer mind being stuck in the corral of dogma think that rik is wrong but your real consciousness tell your outer mind to carry on knowing that the little rik is right so you carry on and on without knowing why.
But your deep consciousness knows for sure.
Quote:Again, no.
Notice I do not put forward any evidence to support this stance. I don't have to because neither did you. What can be presented without evidence can be rejected without evidence.
There is plenty of evidence if you keep your eyes and your mind open.
I can show you (physical speaking) that what was real yesterday is not real today.


