RE: Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause
March 19, 2015 at 11:43 am
(This post was last modified: March 19, 2015 at 11:51 am by Anomalocaris.)
(March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm going to try to deduce what this sentence is supposed to mean. Please correct me if I am wrong. It sounds like you're trying to say that to gain evidence of the rules that govern the universe, the evidence would have to be within the universe and subject to the internal rules of the universe. If that is what you meant, I agree with that. I don't agree with the conclusion that it means we can find nothing out about conditions outside our universe unless the same rules apply without as within.
if by "same" you mean the set rules applying outside our universe is deductible from the set rules applying inside our universe, then yes, they do have to be the same. Other wise it is impossible to deduce how the condition and rules acting outside the universe would effect conditions observable inside the universe.
(March 19, 2015 at 11:17 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(March 18, 2015 at 5:42 pm)Chuck Wrote: The rules governing the universe must to a high degree be connected to and analogous with the rules inside the universe.
Must they? How do you know that? Maybe they're connected in a low degree. Anything can be analogized, so I can't argue with that.
They have to be connected sufficiently closely so deductions from inside the universe, based on the only set of rules governing how data used as evidence can be generated, transmitted and received, must be as valid outside the universe as inside the universe.
If one set of rules should in principle be deductible from another, then I would say they are menifestations of the same underlying rules.