Entropy, Kalam, and First Cause

[Anomalocaris]

if by "same" you mean the set rules applying outside our universe is deductible from the set rules applying inside our universe, then yes, they do have to be the same. Other wise it is impossible to deduce how the condition and rules acting outside the universe would effect conditions observable inside the universe.

'Deductible from evidence we can find within the universe' seems a backtrack from 'we can extrapolate that the rules outside of the universe are the same as the ones within it'. If this is your actual position, I have no problem with it, and don't see how it contradicts the possibility--possibly necessity--that entropy does not apply to the universe in the way that it applies within the universe.

The same argument applies inside the universe as well. What is to exclude the possibility that entropy does not apply within some parts of the universe where sufficiently large subset of other know physical laws still applies such that we would still call that part a region of our universe?

For the same reason there is as yet no reason to hypothesize such a region within our universe, there seem to be as yet no reason to suppose entropy does not apply outside of our universe.

Also, entropy is not just a arbitrary tunable parameter. It is actually intricately tied to time, what determines order, and statistical probability. So in principle saying entropy doesn't apply to creation of universe says a lot of things about time, statistical probability, and what conditions constitutes order. So,if other known rules still apply, then I think saying entropy doesn't apply would seem to set tight boundaries on what base condition outside of the universe is like. I suspect it says in effect that outside our universe, the Entropy overall is at a highest Statistically possible state. Entropy doesn't get "reset" when a new universe is created. Rather, each new instance of universe is menifestation of a random fluctuation in entropy away from base. Some higher than base, some lower. But average across them all, entropy across all instances of universes is at a maximum state.

So it's not so much entropy doesn't apply. It applies, just to a much larger system than the universe. Furthermore this much larger system doesn't have any room to sustain further increases in overall entropy, local entropy fluctuations in this system is statistically self canceling over the larger system.