A Si Fi watchmaker.

[Brian37]

[quote='Brian37' pid='901766' dateline='1426766755']
Certainly scientists have to "imagine" but that doesn't give laypeople outside that level to twist metaphor and words to suit their own fantasies.

Can anyone else picture Brian driving around in some kind of elaborate vehicle like Ecto 1 from Ghost Busters, blasting anyone who dares speak the woo?

How about demonstrating, Fred Phelps style, outside Comicon?

Brian, YOU obviously have a personal fantasy: Purging the general population of all unscientific thought. It's insane and it's sad that you can't see that. Think about it: A group of hard-core atheists think you're nuts. How do you think your crusade would be received by the masses?

You want to do something positive to make the world more logical? Focus on what is PRACTICAL. Oppose creationists trying to push their crap into schools. Oppose the religious right trying to proselytize in schools. There is a ton of work to be done there. Charging around trying to silence the dreaded sci-fi fans is a fool's errand.

I am not purging a fucking thing, damn you sound like the Church when Galileo told the truth that the earth revolved around the sun. Is your wishful thinking more important than reality.

Now again for the umpteenth time, there is nothing wrong with "mental masturbation" but there is a way science goes about it and the stupid way laypersons go about it.

If you want to dwell in the unimaginative sphere of fantasy you can, but you still have nothing until scientific method and peer review act on it. Make any claim you want, that is a government issue and a human rights issue, go for it. But don't expect anyone, especially not scientists to buy anything you say just because you uttered it.

It is when we buck bad claims we are less clouded in our view of the future. It is why we no longer believe the earth is flat.

Science, especially QM is freaky enough by itself without adding laypersons god or si fi baggage to it.

You got an idea? Great, science loves new ideas. But you don't get to skip method just because you have an idea.

And who said fantasy was bad? All I said is you don't utter an idea and get a pass. Fantasy is good for relaxing and entertainment, but method is the only way to confirm a claim.

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If you like comic book conventions, that really is great. I think some of the heros and costumes are awesome to look at and the stories are great to read. Never was into much as far as si fi outside Xena Warior Princess and Buck Rogers, Some of Next generation and Voyager but my attitude to any claim is "Ill believe when I see it".

If you want some real inspiration along with your relaxation but separate from it, knowing the implication of spacetime is awesome. I do however think there still are lots of hurdles to what QM physicists want to do. Some of it may pan out, but Newton while he got physics right also postulated alchemy.

I really am not trying to ruin your fun. I am just saying don't jump the gun and don't gap fill. Your spare time relaxation outside a lab when you have nothing to test what is in your head can only be there until you apply method to it.

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Ok let me give you another example.

I write a tv cartoon, and in it the head character is a snarfwiget, it can take a frog and turn it into ice cream. The show teaches kids to share as a theme and ice cream is real and frogs are real and the empathy of the script conveys our nature. But does any of those real things or kind motifs make a sarfwidget real?

Now if there was a way I could prove the existence of a sharfwidget, would it be your job to blindly agree with me of even that being a posibility, or would I at a minimum, at least have to do my own homework to prove it in theory on paper or a computer simulation?

"Ideas must be distinct before reason can act on them" and that was Thomas Jefferson. Yea he was a deist, but he wouldn't have feared people questioning him.