RE: WTF???
August 28, 2010 at 9:33 pm
(This post was last modified: August 28, 2010 at 9:38 pm by AngryBiker.)
(August 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm)padraic Wrote:Quote:Will somebody please tell me where in the Constitution it states that there shall be freedom FROM religion? I don't get it. The Constitution simply states that Congress shall establish no State religion.
Section 116 is accepted as giving that freedom.
Oh,do you mean the AMERICAN constitution? I quoted the Australian constitution,and UK doesn't actually have a convenient single document known as "The Constitution".
My understanding is that freedom FROM religion has long been established in the US via constitutional lawyers and the US supreme court.
The argument that a freedom simply doesn't exist because it is not specifically mentioned in the constitution is a little fatuous. EG as far as I know the US constitution makes no mention of the right own semi automatic weapons,only" the right to bear arms" .(Second Amendment,1791)
Quote: What makes me angry, you may ask? Ignorance, obstinance and stupidity. Obstinance most of all, because stupidity can't be helped and ignorance can be cured.
Considering what follows,I find it hilarious that you seem to have written that statement without a hint irony.
I beg your pardon. Yes, I was oblivious to the fact that this is an international forum. Mea culpa. I was indeed posting about the U.S. Constitution. And you are correct about the 2nd Amendment. It does not specify which arms Americans may bear. Only that we may indeed bear them. How's that going in Oz, BTW? Crime rate down now that the ordinary citizen is unarmed? Constables are there to protect you at every turn? I think not.
I merely posed a question which you did not directly answer. You are the one who seems to have taken umbrage. You changed the subject. Why? The U.S. Constitution says what it says. It has been perverted by those in a position to do so. I ask again, why do you feel the need to impress your ideology upon others? Are you that insecure in your dogma? I'm flexible and do not have the need to convince others that it's my way or the highway. You and many other atheists are obstinate.
(August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm)Minimalist Wrote: Your precious pledge had that asinine phrase added in 1954. It is hardly shrouded in antiquity.
I am well aware of the history of the Pledge. As I stated in my introduction, I am not offended by those who profess a belief in one religion or another as long as they respect the beliefs of others. You are obviously one of those atheists who are intolerant of those who do not share your point of view. You're no better than Jimmy Swaggart. Do you have the ability to answer my original question?