Quote:Just as I see how natural, Natural selection is, where the strong and who gets to mate etc. get selected, it is as natural too to see how God can deter or at least make so called 'evil people' have second thoughts and encourage them to do good things instead aint it? Most people can see this obvious and true fact.
If I actually beleived there was a god, I would not be forced to do HIS version of good. I would, instead try to destroy this god so that people may decide for themselves what is just and right, instead of assuming this dictator is truly good. Thus no, I still disagree that it is fats that religion creates good from evil, or even makes any real ammount of people (I'm certain theres a small ammount, an exeption to proove the rule) pretend to be good.
Quote:When you yourself say, 'evil people may do good things but still remain evil'. To me it does not really matter actually. If he has done good, why do you care about his heart? The good is done.
The good is not done, people have done the bare ammount required to avoid immediate punishment (which only a lazy god would go with, surely a god can tell that you do not really deserve heaven, your only pretending). And every chance the person gets they will do more evil, or avoid doing good unless they specifically know they will be rewarded for it. It only promotes extremes.
Quote:Gay marriage rights is the main thing you are talking about right? it is indeed a con then but you have to weight it againt the increase of bad deeds and decrease of good deeds if christianity is to decline much straightaway. Further, put it in consideration that in the past thousands of years of history of modern Mankind society Gay marriages did not formally exist anyways till the past..20 years?
But one example among many. Christianity has, and continues to cause good people to do bad things at a much higher rate that it causes bad people to pretend to be good people. And why does it matter that it's current? It should never be allowed because they didn't do it back then either? the fact is we are trying to fix this right now, and christianity supresses this. It was wrong of people to fight the black people when they fought for human rights and it's wrong for religious people to supress gays.
and I still have yet to see an example of any theistic religion causing any real ammount of bad people to act good. I can provide plenty of examples of good acting bad, the gay rights movment being supressed, The crusades and the 9/11 bombing to start.
You are claiming it's obvious that religion forces people to be good, theists claim that god is obvious. Both points require evidense and that it is obvious to you means nothing to me. I gave my examples, none of which were about one person, all of which included multiple, even hundreds of people doing evil in gods name. Where are yours?
