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[Surgenator]

I'm not saying people don't have NDE's. I'm saying the experience they're having are equivalent to hallucinations. You're the one who has to show there is more to their experience than a hallucination equivalent.

You never know son.
One day they may prove you correct and the thousand of people who had an NDE wrong.
They may even give you a Nobel prize for your scientific knowledge.
In the meantime i rely on what make more sense regardless of the number of witnesses.

You're the one who has the burden of proof not me. You have to show that what these people are experiencing is something outside of their brains. I don't have to do anything to justify my lack of belief.

Plus, you keep dodging the UFO topic. Do you believe the UFO abductees?

No, i don't.
I believe in universal laws in which people who live in a certain planet can not interfere in the life and place of other people from different planet.

But all those testimonials by UFO abductees. They even have pictures and video. But since it doesn't fit into your worldview, you refuse to accept it. Typical pigeon tactic.

Who the fuck said anything about consciousness in the testicles?

I beg your pardon!
You are the one who has been talking about testicles for the last few weeks trying to say that sort of everything is possible IF.

I was talking about letting the pink-invisible-dinosaur-robot-hybrid into your testicles. I never said anything about testicles being conscious.

And the scientist are very confident that the mind generates consciousness that it is not part of their discussion. They're focusing on how.

Gee, what a big difference!
I am astounded!

Your astounded that scientist would like to know how things work? You must really consider the scientist as brainless idiots. Did you consider that it might be the other way around?

The mind is as much of an abstraction as motion is. The level of abstraction you want to pose is unjustified.

Pure intellectual extravaganza to say more bullshit.

That statement applies to all your post. I'm gonna steal it, and apply it when I deem appropriate.

Its funny how you think throwing the term ex-atheist will make your argument more convincing. I disagree with other atheist on a whole lot of subjects, so disagreeing with an ex-atheist is even easier.

So tell me.
With how many ex-atheists that did had an NDE did you disagree?

All who claim NDE's are evidence of something outside the brain. Them being an ex-atheist doesn't make a difference.

Plus, where is my computer without any microprocessors?

I guess it would be like a car without an engine but again even if the microprocessor would be inside your computer the computer wouldn't be able to do anything UNTIL you would activate the computer and decide to make it deliver the goods.

So a computer without microprocessors is just a pile of crap until you put the microprocessors in there. Congratulations, you just disproved your top-to-bottom creation. Take some cake, enjoy some wine, you just moved one step closer to a reasoning human being.

Analogies are not evidence. The bullshit experiment you propose was not falsifiable. I'm asking for a falsifiable experiment.

Analogies are used all the time by scientists to prove whether something will work or not.

Scientist only use analogies to explain stuff to laymen. They don't use them when they prove something to there fellow scientist.

All the medication that people use these days have been experimented on rats.

You know rats are not analogies. They are mammals that have similar biology and biochemistry as humans. That is why drugs are first tested on them before they move to HUMAN TRIALS.

All the technologies that we got these days come after experiments with what was previously known so without analogies we still would live in caves.

Previous experiments are not analogies. I'm beginning to think you don't know what the word analogy means.

Why aren't you answering the question: if popular, fanatical, opinion dictates truth why aren't you a muslim?

The real truth can not come out somebody ass that is why i don't believe in religions.
Jesus and Mohamed never said that people may end up in hell but that is what some religions teach.
Your question must come out your a.. too surgen doesn't it?

Sorry, but the clerics of Islam devoted their lives to intuitional science and came to their understand of reality. Just because they wrote down what they learned from the intuitional science and spread their knowledge to others doesn't make it less true. So your objection of calling them a religion is ill founded since they are like you, fellow intuitional science practitioners.

Thats funny coming from someone who can't prove his claims. And FYI, protons and neutrons are made out of quarks and gluons. Electrons and positrons are likely fundamental particles i.e. they are not made out of anything.

Even fundamental part are made of something sur but that is something that you will understand at a later stage.

You really need to check the dictionary more often. Look up the word "fundamental."

You're the one that doesn't understand discussions. You say one thing, I say your wrong because of X. You're suppose to reply with that is not valid because of Y, but instead you repeat your claim as if it had never been refuted.

You show me that you ever refute and dismiss any of my thoughts and i will cover you in pure gold.

Your NDE's testimonies with UFO testimonies. Burden of proof shifts. The top to bottom design BS. These are just from this post alone. Where is my gold?

You showed no such thing. You only assert it. Learn the difference.

You can experiment yourself sur.
Just try to insert a knife in your flesh to see whether you feel pain or not.

We already had this discussion. I'm not going to physically hurt myself. Let me shot you in your foot. I won't say which foot since it doesn't matter because you believe pain is only in the brain.

If this universe would be the real reality these guys would be subjects to these universal laws which are to feel pain when a knife penetrate the flesh.

The universe is a lot more complex than your making it out to be. People killing off their nerve cells, ignoring pain receptors is not evidence for anything supernatural.

Oh that is interesting.
So these guys before to insert knives into their flesh kill all their nerve cells.
Thanks for telling me that mate.
Now i go to see these guys to reprimanding them.
I may even give them a good smack even if i know that they will not feel any pain.

No dumbass. You can kill the nerve endings to a specific region from consistent injury to it. Your brain will also ignore pain receptor messages if they are constantly on.