WTF???

[AngryBiker]

Atheists, and the un-American Criminal Liberties Union in particular, seem to spend a great deal of time and energy fighting things like recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and public prayer.

"The ACLU vigorously defends the rights of all Americans to practice their religion. But because the ACLU is often better known for its work preventing the government from promoting and funding selected religious activities, it is sometimes wrongly assumed that the ACLU does not zealously defend the rights of all religious believers to practice their faith. The actions described below – over half of which were brought on behalf of self-identified Christians, with the remaining cases defending the rights of a wide range of minority faiths – reveal just how mistaken such assumptions are. (The list below includes examples from the past decade only.)"

A list of cases the ACLU has brought to court on behalf of religious believers.

I stand corrected. Thank you.

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The reason 'we atheists' take a stand against certain things like 'prayer in public schools', the mention of 'god' in the Pledge, the '10 Commandments' in the courtroom, and so on... is in defense of secularism. I don't want to force others to believe what I believe, but I also do not want others to force their beliefs on me. Striving to keep any and all religion out of government is not the same thing as forcing my lack of belief on people. People have the right to believe whatever they want... 'we atheists' included. 'We' fight against religion's tendency to (intentionally) permeate the government, because allowing it to happen threatens the religious freedoms of everyone.

Humanity may be overrated but it beats the alternative, IMNSHO.

I'm all for secularism. I don't see our govt. 'forcing' religion anywhere. With all due respect, it seems to me that you guys are swattin' butterflies.

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Why do atheists choose so vehemently to impinge upon the 1st Amendment rights of the religious people in this country?

We don't. They are impinging on our rights of freedom of religion. The pledge, our currency, public prayer, etc. is all promoting Christianity over all other religions, which is NOT what the Founding Fathers wanted.

If atheists are not trying to impose their beliefs upon others, why can't you just leave it alone? I guess that was the point of my original question.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xnbXlkNavwo

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The Founding Fathers believed in a Creator. America was founded on the desire for freedom of religion, not from it.

Proof? Because I'm pretty sure that the Declaration of Independence (y'know, just the founding document of our country), doesn't mention any "Creator", and the mention of religion (in article 7, I believe) is to SEPARATE the church from the state... P.S. Our Founding Father's were deists, and some of them were atheists.

BTW, it has been said that the only difference between a deist and an atheist is 3 letters.

That's true to an extent, I suppose. You can change three letters and turn deist into atheist, but they mean different things. One involves a supreme being creating the universe and one doesn't.

And we both have equal proof, only mine is more equal than yours.