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WTF???
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RE: WTF???
(August 29, 2010 at 9:21 am)AngryBiker Wrote: I'm all for secularism. I don't see our govt. 'forcing' religion anywhere. With all due respect, it seems to me that you guys are swattin' butterflies.
The idea of "God" is a very religious one. Thus, having the words "under God" in the Pledge of Allegiance (a pledge meant to bring all Americans together) is discriminating against atheists, and is breaking the 1st Amendment by impeding on the atheist's free exercise of religion (and yes, atheism is a religion when it is considered politically, as is deism). It means that atheists can't say the Pledge of Allegiance truthfully, thus either atheists cannot be true Americans, or the Pledge is exclusive to a specific religious group. Either way, it goes against the 1st amendment.

Another example? The National Day of Prayer. Prayer, like God, is a religious idea. Having a national day of prayer is an establishment of a religious idea by the government.

I suppose to a deist, these things probably don't matter, and it does look like we are swatting at butterflies, but to us, they do matter. There are numerous "butterflies" out there, and they all represent some form of government meddling with religion, whether it be prayer in public schools, displaying the 10 commandments in courts, or saying prayers before official state meetings.

I also agree with what others have said here...if you are going to use what World Net Daily says to back up your argument, you should really have a good long look at what they say, and where it comes from. WND is not a "source"; neither is any newspaper or online news organisation (even the reputable ones). Sources come from studies.
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WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 4:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 4:30 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 9:08 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:35 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 11:40 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 10:24 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:33 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 8:40 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 2:37 pm
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 28, 2010 at 4:35 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:49 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 9:56 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 10:23 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 5:23 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:04 am
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 29, 2010 at 9:07 am
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 28, 2010 at 8:47 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 28, 2010 at 8:59 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 28, 2010 at 9:33 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 7:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 8:47 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 12:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 28, 2010 at 9:15 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Minimalist - August 28, 2010 at 9:31 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 28, 2010 at 9:40 pm
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 28, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Minimalist - August 28, 2010 at 10:33 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 12:02 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 28, 2010 at 11:37 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 29, 2010 at 12:25 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:13 am
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 29, 2010 at 5:38 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 9:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:21 am
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 29, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 29, 2010 at 10:08 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 9:48 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 9:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:02 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 9:59 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 10:46 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:50 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:16 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 11:57 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 12:06 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 11:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 9:17 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 10:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 29, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:24 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:26 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 30, 2010 at 9:37 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 9:57 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 11:22 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 11:43 am
RE: WTF??? - by chasm - August 29, 2010 at 11:25 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 12:00 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 29, 2010 at 12:04 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 29, 2010 at 1:09 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 12:05 pm
RE: WTF??? - by leo-rcc - August 29, 2010 at 2:35 pm
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 29, 2010 at 5:27 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 10:42 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:47 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 10:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 29, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 29, 2010 at 5:50 pm
RE: WTF??? - by padraic - August 29, 2010 at 7:14 pm
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 29, 2010 at 7:34 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Shell B - August 30, 2010 at 1:12 am
RE: WTF??? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 30, 2010 at 3:36 am
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 4:21 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:53 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 8:51 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 8:52 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 8:56 am
RE: WTF??? - by AngryBiker - August 30, 2010 at 9:28 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:44 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 9:58 am
RE: WTF??? - by Tiberius - August 30, 2010 at 10:02 am
RE: WTF??? - by Paul the Human - August 30, 2010 at 10:31 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 10:32 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 10:37 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 10:45 am
RE: WTF??? - by Scarface - August 30, 2010 at 10:54 am
RE: WTF??? - by Eilonnwy - August 30, 2010 at 11:04 am
RE: WTF??? - by leo-rcc - August 30, 2010 at 10:38 am
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 11:06 am
RE: WTF??? - by RachelSkates - August 30, 2010 at 2:41 pm
RE: WTF??? - by LastPoet - August 30, 2010 at 2:53 pm
RE: WTF??? - by TheDarkestOfAngels - August 30, 2010 at 3:19 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Entropist - August 30, 2010 at 3:07 pm
RE: WTF??? - by Zen Badger - August 31, 2010 at 6:25 am



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