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Was it necessary to create anything?
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RE: Was it necessary to create anything?
(March 25, 2015 at 6:22 pm)Alex K Wrote:
(March 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm)Pyrrho Wrote: Do you mean that the universe has always existed? Otherwise, you will have a problem, with God thinking of something new, that He previously had not considered. After all, that would mean that He lacked something at some time, that He later had. Either that thing is an improvement, or it isn't. If it is an improvement, it means God was imperfect, and if not, then it is unnecessary and unimportant, unworthy of a perfect being.

[Apologist]
It is not sensible to say that God lacked a thing at some time, and had it at another. This is our interpretation as creatures living in time. God though is not constrained by our concept of time: what is past, present and future for us are just different parts of His mind, and he has them all.
[/Apologist]

I see you are getting into the spirit of things, becoming more nonsensical and divorced from reality. Good job!

But back to the point: If it is in the mind of God, then you should have no problems with the idea that the universe has always existed. Hell, I am an atheist, and I have no conceptual problems with the idea that the universe has always existed. What is the problem with it, for a believer in a perfect God? How does the eternity of some part of the mind of God constitute a problem for a believer?

Indeed, this seems all for the believer's benefit, that we are not independent real things, but just thoughts in the mind of God, that have always been, and always will be. What are you, some sort of atheist?

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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Was it necessary to create anything? - by ReptilianPeon - March 25, 2015 at 5:14 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Napoléon - March 25, 2015 at 5:24 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 25, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by IATIA - April 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 5:36 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 5:50 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:02 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 6:16 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:22 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 6:54 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 25, 2015 at 7:06 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 25, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 7:03 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 25, 2015 at 7:08 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by JuliaL - March 25, 2015 at 7:23 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Minimalist - March 25, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 25, 2015 at 7:37 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 5:51 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:02 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 8:08 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:04 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:09 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:21 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 9:37 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:26 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 8:35 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 8:45 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 9:34 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 9:35 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Alex K - March 26, 2015 at 10:34 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - March 26, 2015 at 2:17 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - March 26, 2015 at 2:33 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 9:36 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 9:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - March 26, 2015 at 9:44 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 10:00 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 10:49 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by professor - March 26, 2015 at 11:22 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Smaug - March 26, 2015 at 2:18 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Brian37 - March 26, 2015 at 4:52 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 4:53 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 2, 2015 at 5:28 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 11:01 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 7:21 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 3, 2015 at 12:45 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 1:05 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 4, 2015 at 6:45 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 4, 2015 at 10:42 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 6, 2015 at 7:14 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 2, 2015 at 4:58 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 2, 2015 at 5:09 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 12:03 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Tonus - April 3, 2015 at 7:44 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 8:22 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 3, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 3, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 3, 2015 at 2:15 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Brian37 - April 3, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by emjay - April 3, 2015 at 5:25 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by emjay - April 3, 2015 at 6:31 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by robvalue - April 4, 2015 at 5:13 am
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by Pyrrho - April 6, 2015 at 12:06 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by John V - April 6, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by dyresand - April 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: Was it necessary to create anything? - by RobertE - April 6, 2015 at 8:50 am

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