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Does random have rules?
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RE: Does random have rules?
(March 27, 2015 at 8:28 am)Alex K Wrote: The concept of entropy was invented in the context of classical mechanics, which was perfectly deterministic.

I think one of the important aspects is the ergodic hypothesis

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergodic_hypothesis

which allows you to look at the system averaged over time as if you had many different copies of the same system with randomized initial conditions. I have the suspicion that this might open up the possibility to talk about probabilities and such in a deterministic system. But I haven't thought about it in detail, and this is just what I came up spontaneously. If I meet a statistical physics person in the coffee room later I shall ask.

It seems to me that if you tried to derive the thermodynamic laws bottom-up from a deterministic model of particle behavior, then your laws would not be laws. The thermodynamic laws would need to say "this is almost always true for a large population of particles." instead of "this is always true".

I have read that many physicists think entropy and thermodynamics are the most trustworthy ideas in physics, so I think that means randomness must be a real thing.

I think it would be really neat if randomness is a real thing, because so many ancient cultures believed that the world was created in a battle between a god of law and a god of chaos.
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Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 26, 2015 at 10:13 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Drich - March 26, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 26, 2015 at 11:30 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Anomalocaris - March 26, 2015 at 11:52 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 12:11 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Drich - March 27, 2015 at 11:08 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Homeless Nutter - March 27, 2015 at 5:42 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Neo-Scholastic - March 26, 2015 at 11:16 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Anomalocaris - March 26, 2015 at 11:25 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Pizza - March 26, 2015 at 11:34 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 26, 2015 at 11:50 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Anomalocaris - March 27, 2015 at 1:09 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 4:02 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by downbeatplumb - March 27, 2015 at 4:24 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 7:01 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by downbeatplumb - March 27, 2015 at 7:53 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 8:28 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 9:04 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 5:33 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 5:45 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Little lunch - March 27, 2015 at 7:41 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 9:06 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 9:29 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 9:40 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 10:08 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Anomalocaris - March 27, 2015 at 10:55 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 11:55 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 10:12 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by Anomalocaris - March 27, 2015 at 11:34 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by downbeatplumb - March 27, 2015 at 11:47 am
RE: Does random have rules? - by LostLocke - March 27, 2015 at 12:00 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 12:02 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 12:34 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 1:18 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 1:23 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 1:32 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 1:38 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by watchamadoodle - March 27, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by robvalue - March 27, 2015 at 1:42 pm
RE: Does random have rules? - by Alex K - March 27, 2015 at 6:29 pm

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