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Where is Jesus?
RE: Where is Jesus?
(August 16, 2010 at 4:42 am)solja247 Wrote:
Quote:It's recognised by most scholars that the story of Jesus and the woman taken in adultery was added later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_and_t...Authorship
This is a fairly major story, too, as it allegedly demonstrates Jesus' views on forgiveness.

Read an NIV Bible (KJV is a bad translation) It doesnt ommit the woman caught in adultery (That would inflame too many christians) but it says, 'The earliest manusrcipts and many other ancient witnesses do not have John 7:53-8:11.'

So I dont see your point...

So the NIV a better translation because it's a wholly Protestant effort? It's widely known that the NIV is a softened version of the KJV and includes multiple instances of attempting to right apparent contradictions or soften certain passages, Matthew 13:32, for instance:

Quote:31Another parable put he forth unto them, saying, The kingdom of heaven is like to a grain of mustard seed, which a man took, and sowed in his field:
32Which indeed is the least of all seeds: but when it is grown, it is the greatest among herbs, and becometh a tree, so that the birds of the air come and lodge in the branches thereof. — KJV

versus

Quote:Though it is the smallest of all your seeds, yet when it grows, it is the largest of garden plants and becomes a tree, so that the birds of the air come and perch in its branches." — NIV


with "your" being added to make it appear that Jesus didn't incorrectly say that the mustard seed is the smallest of all seeds.

A translation that attempts this sort of thing can't be trusted. As we see here, the NIV version of this verse is different than at least 16 (!) other translations. Apologist commentaries will probably say that the mustard seed Jesus was referring to was, indeed, the smallest that might have been grown at that time in first-century Palestine. But he said of all seeds, and why would an omniscient being confine his knowledge of the world within such a localized time and district.
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Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 11, 2010 at 4:58 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Paul the Human - August 11, 2010 at 5:25 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Welsh cake - August 11, 2010 at 6:19 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 11, 2010 at 6:21 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2010 at 6:28 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 11, 2010 at 7:36 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by HeyItsZeus - August 24, 2010 at 9:20 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2010 at 8:09 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 11, 2010 at 11:21 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by padraic - August 11, 2010 at 11:54 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 11, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Shell B - August 11, 2010 at 8:51 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Jaysyn - August 11, 2010 at 9:32 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2010 at 8:17 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 11, 2010 at 11:55 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 12, 2010 at 11:23 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 12, 2010 at 1:12 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 12, 2010 at 4:56 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 12, 2010 at 5:30 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by padraic - August 12, 2010 at 7:37 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 12, 2010 at 7:22 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by annatar - August 12, 2010 at 12:24 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2010 at 12:47 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by downbeatplumb - August 12, 2010 at 2:31 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 12, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by RAD - August 12, 2010 at 10:06 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chasm - August 12, 2010 at 10:45 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 15, 2010 at 9:14 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 15, 2010 at 1:28 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 12:11 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 15, 2010 at 7:38 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 15, 2010 at 9:03 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 1:25 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by theVOID - August 15, 2010 at 9:48 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by everythingafter - September 1, 2010 at 10:15 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - August 16, 2010 at 1:06 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 16, 2010 at 1:43 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 16, 2010 at 1:25 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 16, 2010 at 3:14 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 16, 2010 at 3:20 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 4:00 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 16, 2010 at 4:42 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by everythingafter - September 1, 2010 at 11:11 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by The Omnissiunt One - August 16, 2010 at 5:51 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - August 16, 2010 at 9:34 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by ib.me.ub - August 16, 2010 at 9:56 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 16, 2010 at 12:37 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 16, 2010 at 4:10 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by solja247 - August 16, 2010 at 6:47 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 16, 2010 at 7:54 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by theVOID - August 16, 2010 at 8:14 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 16, 2010 at 11:17 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by DiRNiS - August 17, 2010 at 12:12 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by KichigaiNeko - August 17, 2010 at 2:25 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by downbeatplumb - August 18, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - August 16, 2010 at 8:11 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by DiRNiS - August 16, 2010 at 8:16 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 16, 2010 at 7:20 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by chatpilot - August 16, 2010 at 9:05 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 12:14 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 17, 2010 at 10:09 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Eilonnwy - August 17, 2010 at 10:22 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 18, 2010 at 10:58 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 17, 2010 at 10:52 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Edwardo Piet - August 18, 2010 at 4:22 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 18, 2010 at 3:04 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 19, 2010 at 12:24 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 19, 2010 at 11:29 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by DiRNiS - August 20, 2010 at 6:49 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Edwardo Piet - August 20, 2010 at 1:29 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 20, 2010 at 2:19 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 20, 2010 at 11:41 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 1:05 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 7:04 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by The Omnissiunt One - August 20, 2010 at 7:48 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 20, 2010 at 2:52 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 20, 2010 at 3:33 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 1:45 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Edwardo Piet - August 21, 2010 at 3:44 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 21, 2010 at 5:55 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 22, 2010 at 1:13 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by lrh9 - August 21, 2010 at 2:07 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 21, 2010 at 5:39 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 1:31 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Godschild - August 22, 2010 at 4:08 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by lrh9 - August 22, 2010 at 5:41 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 21, 2010 at 3:44 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 21, 2010 at 7:48 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Eilonnwy - August 22, 2010 at 3:11 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 1:23 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 22, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 23, 2010 at 12:30 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by The Omnissiunt One - August 23, 2010 at 8:11 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Captain Scarlet - August 23, 2010 at 4:01 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 23, 2010 at 3:51 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - August 24, 2010 at 3:00 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 24, 2010 at 6:37 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - August 27, 2010 at 6:57 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - August 30, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Paul the Human - August 30, 2010 at 12:29 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - September 1, 2010 at 9:31 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Entropist - September 1, 2010 at 9:50 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Quest of knowledge - September 1, 2010 at 10:47 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 23, 2010 at 5:58 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by RachelSkates - August 27, 2010 at 4:31 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 27, 2010 at 4:45 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by RachelSkates - August 27, 2010 at 6:15 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 27, 2010 at 7:54 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Padre5 - August 27, 2010 at 7:31 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - August 30, 2010 at 12:33 pm
RE: Where is Jesus? - by Minimalist - September 1, 2010 at 11:30 am
RE: Where is Jesus? - by tackattack - September 2, 2010 at 12:30 pm
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