(April 2, 2015 at 8:51 pm)watchamadoodle Wrote:(April 2, 2015 at 8:32 pm)Minimalist Wrote: WHAT FACTS HAVE YOU MENTIONED AS BEING ACCURATE?Maybe we should all agree on a definition of fact?
For example, there are references in the gospels to the culture, geography, architecture, etc. Some of those references can be tested against other written accounts, modern archaeological knowledge, etc.
It seems like you are looking for facts about Jesus - not just facts?
You have to remember that for most believers, "fact" means "what I believe". They don't really care if their beliefs are true, they'll just desperately twist and turn things to try to justify believing in it. They always have a double standard in play. I've pointed out that credible historians demand multiple independent accounts for historical tales. Christians don't have that, therefore they just ignore it and pretend that they can get away with whatever they do have because, in their minds, they simply cannot be wrong. There are standards for a reason, they cannot meet the standards, but neither can they admit that their belief system fails in any test.
There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide mankind that cannot be achieved as well or better through secular means.
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