RE: General argument for Islam.
April 5, 2015 at 6:09 am
(This post was last modified: April 5, 2015 at 6:26 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(April 5, 2015 at 4:59 am)MysticKnight Wrote: Goodness to be me derives from a living reality, the Lord of the worlds."To you", but "to you" is insufficient reason -for us-.
Quote:Although we differ often in moralities, it doesn't change that there is source to goodness and especially, the good intention.The flip side of that coin, if we're talking about sources...is that regardless of what that source is or may be, and regardless of what either of us would put in that camp..the important bit is that it, goodness, exists. If the source of goodness were a deep black pit full of demons....it would still be goodness, eh? Goodness may (and does) seem to flow from many sources. So even without your claim, we're at no loss for explanation or sources...when it comes to goodness. Are we?
Quote:As objective morality surely has to exist where goodness to be anything but a delusion,You have not established either that objective morality exists, or that it must exist for goodness to be other than a delusion, or that if it were a delusion that it even matters.
If goodness is not a delusion, then objective morality must exist
goodness is not a delusion
therefore objective morality exists
If goodness is not a delusion, then bigfoot must exist
goodness is not a delusion
therefore bigfoot exists.
I show you this so that you understand both that and why the statements you made cannot, logically, in the manner presented, be expected to yield truth. But over and above all of that, so what...so what if goodness were a delusion...what then? We don;t rule things out because we don't like the way they sound...do we?
Quote:it makes sense pure servants of God would have objective morality and be guided towards it.It does not "make sense" from anything discussed previous, you are either omitting a step you performed, or you did not perform the step. Show your work.
Quote:It's obvious if you accept God, that there is infinite ranks to goodness, and that surely there is some people upon a very high rank from among his creation.as obvious as it is that if those "ranks of goodness" exist..god still isn't a requirement, nor does god modify those ranks, nor do those ranks have anything to do with any creation.
Quote:In my argument, you don't have to assume the Quran is true.Oh..you mean, I don't have to assume that your god exists? Seems like it, in fact, that seems to be the only assumption you insists be left intact with no scrutiny. Look at the bolded bit above......
Quote: You look at the wisdom present in Quran,Like?
Quote:think about it logically, find it exalted, and find it unique towards the holy book or faiths that are offshoots of the holy book.-and if we think about it logically, and do not find it exalted or unique? What then? -And so what if we did find it to be both of those things...neither will make it true. This is the really mystifying bit, to me. Some of us don't see it the way you see it (you understand that, you made mention of it)....but even if we did, it won't be any more true or accurate than the tortoise and the hare. These are your arguments? Presented in a way that cannot gaurantee truth, and comprised of items which - even if true, could not yield the conclusion you wish to arrive upon? That's doesn't meet my bar for argument, or logic Mystic.
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