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God is a Terrorist.
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RE: God is a Terrorist.
(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Well first, I think good actions create realities. Higher realities, both in the soul and how can God be experienced.

What does that mean?  What are "higher realities?"  Is there not one earth, one sky, one God, one reality?


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote:   I don't think God can bestow higher ranks without freewill and praiseworthy action.


Why not?  Is your God not omnipotent?  Do you worship a limited being?  Why can't he just make us how he wants us to be?

While I am asking, does God have free will?  If so, does that mean that God does bad things?  If not, then having free will does not explain why people do bad things.


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Love has a hidden wisdom. When tried with veils, trials, tribulations, and it's patience is "to God do we belong" and it's tranquility "and to whom do we return", the blessings of God descend from a higher realm, created, that cannot be otherwise created.


What does that mean?  Do you mean that if you torment a woman, that is a sign of your love for her?  Being nice to her is, to your way of thinking, not loving her?

If that is what you mean, it would be better for God to not love us, so that maybe he would not torture us.


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Trying us by evil, and by wanting to battle against the evil ourselves, and the hidden evil forces, and rejecting them and cling to his light, his handhold, bestows a special honor.

The Divine sword of God in the trial can bestow high honor and bring one to ranks otherwise and stations and inherit beauty and glory that cannot be inherited without such a trial.


Why not?  Is the God you worship not omnipotent?  Is it limited in what it can do?


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Now I believe none of us should be put into this trial, unless, we wanted it, and this what Quran says, that the human chose the trust while the heavens and the earth where to scared to carry it.

But we chose it because we loved God, and this was a trial before coming to this world.


Are you expecting us to believe that you believe that you remember having a chat with God before you were born, in which you told God that you wanted to be tested?  And that all of us had this same conversation?  Do you not know how insane that sounds?  I mean, literally insane.

For my part, I never chose any such thing.  No one asked me, before I was born, whether I wanted to be born or not.  You are just lying here, or are a lunatic.


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: That said, in the design, God is going to try us by good and evil, blessings and afflictions.

The blessings that come from afflictions are unique, Imam Jaffar is quoted to have said is misbahal shariah:

Affliction is an adornment for the believer and a mark of honour for the man of intellect, because facing it directly needs steadfastness and firm-footedness, both of which confirm belief. The Holy Prophet said, 'We, the company of the prophets, are the people who have the hardest trials, then after us come the believers, then the others like them.'

Whoever tastes the food of affliction while under Allah's protection enjoys it more than he enjoys Allah's blessing.


So you are saying that Muslims are masochists?  That they prefer pain to pleasure?  That they want bad things to happen to them?

Again, do you not realize how insane that sounds?  How insane that really is?


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: He yearns for it when it is not there, because the lights of blessing lie under the balance of affliction and trial, and the balance of affliction and trial lies under the lights of blessing. Many are delivered from affliction and then destroyed in blessing. Allah praised none of His bondsmen, from Adam up to Muhammad, until He had tested him and seen how he fulfilled the duty of worship while in affliction. Allah's marks of honour come, in fact, at the last stage, but the afflictions themselves come in the beginning.

Whoever leaves the path of affliction is ignoring the lamp of the believers, the beacon of those near to Allah, and the guide for those on the right path. There is no good in a slave who complains of a single trial preceded by thousands of blessings and followed by thousands of comforts. Whoever does not show the patience required in affliction is deprived of thankfulness in the blessings he receives. Similarly, whoever does not give the thankfulness owed for blessings is denied the patience owed in affliction. Whoever is denied both of them is an outcast.


If God values patience so much, why did he not create only people who are patient?  Or are you saying he is too stupid to be able to do that, that he has to make a bunch of defective things in order to get a few that turn out the way he wants?

You really seem to be worshiping an incompetent buffoon.



(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Ayyub said in his supplication, 'O Allah, verily seventy comforts and ease did not come to me until You sent me seventy afflictions.'

And Wahb ibn Munabbih said, 'Affliction to a believer is like a bit to a horse and a halter to a camel.' Ali said, 'Steadfastness in relation to belief is like the head to the body. The head of steadfastness is afflictions but only those who act righteously understand that.'


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God designs the universe in a way that tries us. As the creator with ultimate wisdom, and because we belong to him, he can try us because his will is benevolent.


That makes no sense.  If he were benevolent, he would not want to harm us.  Saying that he has the right to harm us because he is benevolent is incoherent nonsense.


(April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: No one else has the right to try people by evil, because this is a rank that belongs to God and belongs to him because he is the ruler of the system, which has an over all good purpose.

When God punishes nations and destroys them,  it occurs with his knowledge that they were doing mischief in the land, oppressing others,  and he comes to warn them to halt that behaviour. When the clear proofs come, miracles, clear wisdom, clear message, and they still deny....then God has the right to punish them for their injustice and rid the world of their evil.

He isn't wronging anyone.

However what the Bible states the Israel did to the Phalestines is not something that God would allow,  for humans are not allowed to do such things and declare they are bringing judgement of God.

God being the designer, and has a benevolent will in bringing the most worthwhile purpose, can try us by evil. No creation is however allowed to try another creation by evil and God's will is to entrust humanity with the struggle through his help to establish justice, peace, goodness, and mercy.

By the struggle for good against evil, the struggle against corruption, and the striving in God's path, we can earn ranks that make us closer to God, and inherit praise that belongs to God otherwise we can't.

So you can say God is a terrorist for creating life and death or for destroying oppressive nations, but it is baseless, and is because you think the rank and rights of God as the same as humans and thinking the designer and creator is bound in the same way we are bound, but we aren't allowed to try people because we don't have the exalted wisdom and high rank of God and because we don't own creation.

We show patience to his trial because we belong to God and his high rank, thereby receiving blessings from this honoring of God, but how can a creation be shown this patience when it doesn't own us, when showing patience to it doesn't raise us rank as it's pleasure is not our goal.

So this is the wisdom of "Give news to the patience,. Tose who an affliction occur to them say God do we belong, and to him do we return". These are whom God's blessings are upon..." (Suratal Baqara, 2nd chapter of Quran).



(April 6, 2015 at 2:24 pm)Chad32 Wrote: I think the best thing to do is, if he created us with the ability to think on our own, not punishing us for doing just that. Assuming he is the one who gave us free will, which it seems he either didn't, or doesn't understand how free will works. We have the ability to disagree, and come up with ideas of our own, btu using that ability in any way is considered sin. Even if we disagree on things like equality.

I don't think God punishes us for wrong thinking, but it's rather when the truth becomes manifest, and the falsehood of Satanic and evil forces defeated, if we prefer the falsehood then and follow it, we hate the truth and God's pleasure, which is hate of his light, and we neglect his favor and path, becoming ungrateful and stubborn.

I'm not saying this is true of you guys. But it is something to take caution regard. 



The world is designed so we can attain the honor of the following verse:

يَا أَيُّهَا الْإِنْسَانُ إِنَّكَ كَادِحٌ إِلَىٰ رَبِّكَ كَدْحًا فَمُلَاقِيهِ
 
O human, you are to strive to your Lord a striving so that you meet him.


Why doesn't God just meet us if he wishes to do so?

It makes no sense for God to give us a test.  Since he (supposedly) made us, he should know before the test is made whether we would succeed or fail.  He would, if he were good and not an incompetent maker, only make those who were good.  Making bad people is a sign that God either willfully makes bad people, in which case it is God's fault and God should accept the total blame; or God is an incompetent maker, who is unable to avoid making defective people in trying to make good people, in which case it is God's fault and God should accept the total blame.

Being the creator of all, everything that is wrong is God's fault.  Either he willfully made it bad, or he is incompetent.  But either way, it is all God's fault.

"A wise man ... proportions his belief to the evidence."
— David Hume, An Enquiry Concerning Human Understanding, Section X, Part I.
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God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 12:10 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 12:17 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 1:14 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Brian37 - April 6, 2015 at 12:59 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Pyrrho - April 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Chad32 - April 6, 2015 at 1:13 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Pyrrho - April 6, 2015 at 1:14 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Brian37 - April 6, 2015 at 1:55 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Iroscato - April 6, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Joods - April 7, 2015 at 1:12 am
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 2:01 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by FatAndFaithless - April 6, 2015 at 2:07 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 2:08 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 2:11 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 2:12 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Chad32 - April 6, 2015 at 2:24 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 2:37 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Brian37 - April 6, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:09 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 2:54 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 2:55 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:06 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:02 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 3:05 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 3:08 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:10 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 3:20 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by FatAndFaithless - April 6, 2015 at 3:14 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by robvalue - April 6, 2015 at 3:18 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:21 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Spooky - April 6, 2015 at 3:27 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Brian37 - April 6, 2015 at 3:26 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:34 pm
RE: God is a Terrorist. - by Brian37 - April 6, 2015 at 3:37 pm
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RE: God is a Terrorist. - by MysticKnight - April 6, 2015 at 3:36 pm
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