(April 10, 2015 at 1:23 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: I don't see the conversation going anywhere now. I think I will leave as is. I think you keep addressing the conclusion but not showing a flaw in the argument and also avoid the points I bring.
Goodness needs consciousness I agree, but that does nothing to deny the conclusion or the argument put forth.
(April 10, 2015 at 8:28 am)Chas Wrote:It follows because goodness needs mind/consciousness, so if goodness is eternal, so is consciousness.
- 8 does not follow from anything.
Your argument asserts ideas must exist therefore minds must exist. But the dependence is backwards, ideas cannot exist without minds. So you first have to show a mind that exist eternally before you can assert the idea exist eternally. It's equivalent to arguing the monetary system exist before money existed. You first need to have money exist before you can show the monetary system exist.
