(April 17, 2015 at 4:01 pm)wallym Wrote: I've always thought the science/origin argument that usually results from the debate is a goofy one to partake in for the Atheist. Because the atheist flat out doesn't know what happened, and the idea of something creating the universe just isn't absurd enough. Similarly the idea that there is some order and purpose to the universe is also not that absurd.
The harebrain schemes attached to said creator, however, with all the heaven/hell stuff just doesn't make any sense. It doesn't make sense in so many ways, that it's really indefensible. I suggest skipping the "How'd we all get here then!?!?!?! " And "Intelligent Design needs an Intelligent Designer!!!" because both of those are really irrelevant to religion, which is about what God wants us to do, not how the universe got here.
You are stuck in your own well intended sense of fairness.
No credible scientist would or should claim they know everything.
But in the history of claims, past present there is tons humans can throw in the trash can of bad claims and not lose any sleep.
We no longer think the sun revolves around the earth. We no longer think the heart does the thinking, and humans literally thought it did. We no longer think blessing someone, outside of a hollow formality, that by doing that it will prevent your soul from escaping your body when you sneeze.
We no longer think Ra controlled the sun. We no longer think Poseidon controlled the oceans.
We have tons of dead myths of the past that humans no longer subscribe to. We literally know in a scientific sense why an amputee can falsely feel pain from a hand or foot they no longer have.
Scientists currently are not arguing finite or infinite, and either way the top scientists won't claim either. But what science IS pointing to is that none of this requires a cognition. Our cognition is really no different than accepting that it is complex do to long term building natural collections of events, and not a prime mover being a watchmaker at the start.
What we know so far points to "all this" being a giant weather pattern. It looks like "all this" simply changes states without cognition, and our awareness is simply a blip much like most acorns rot and the adult trees you do end up seeing are the real minority.
