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incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
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RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses
(April 18, 2015 at 3:18 pm)cocunningham Wrote:
(April 17, 2015 at 3:48 pm)Rhondazvous Wrote: The book of Job. Interesting. Remember, God is the same today, yesterday and forever, which means what he did in Job, he is still doing. How do you know he might be making a bet this very minute to let satan destroy your wife's family. Which means you die just like Job's sons died. In fact, most of those who got close to God in the Bible died horribly. Never mind the ludicrousy of the Creator of the universe stooping to make a bet with a fallen angel.
You might claim that, like Job, you are ready to say, "Though he slay me, yet will I serve him." Buy if you're like most Christians, your only reason for serving God is because you think he's the big sugar daddy in the sky who will answer your prayers. Do you think old faithful Job wasn't praying when God sent the devil after him?.
Clinging to faith in God in the midst of trials is a classic example of the Stockholm syndrome.  
I like to talk about the book of Job because it was in Catholic school discussing this portion of the bible that I really started to stop and say "Wait, What?".  The part that always got me is if God is Omniscient then he already knew the outcome of his wager with the devil prior to making it.  And following that logic the Devil knows that God is Omniscient so if God says "No trust me I know" then what could the devil counter that with.  That means then that God did those things for no reason at all.
Now what I find strange is how people do find comfort in saying it's all in God's plan.  I have a friend who is devout southern Baptist.  He had a son who had an inoperable brain tumor.  His son died young after much suffering.  His faith was only strengthened by this ordeal.  Partly I understand because the idea that his son is in heaven where all he knows is happiness is an attractive perspective, but he said multiple times that it was all part of God's plan.  I have not argued the point with him because it's such a sensitive topic but I have yet to understand why it's easier to believe that bad things were a sentient being doing terrible things intentionally rather than bad luck.
I commend you for being sensitive to that grieving father's way of dealing with his loss.  I know it's not easy to watch someone be so wrongheaded without saying something.  Maybe at a later time you'll be able to approach the topic with him honestly. The church is a cesspool of undigested lies where the truth is not welcome.

all part of God's plan?  In other words, the ends justify the means.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.

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incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Goon - April 15, 2015 at 9:54 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 15, 2015 at 10:11 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by The Valkyrie - April 15, 2015 at 10:23 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Goon - April 15, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Rhondazvous - April 16, 2015 at 5:34 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by vorlon13 - April 15, 2015 at 10:20 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Minimalist - April 15, 2015 at 10:24 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by vorlon13 - April 15, 2015 at 11:00 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by The Valkyrie - April 15, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 3:24 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 16, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 16, 2015 at 5:17 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 5:25 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 16, 2015 at 5:32 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 6:02 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Aractus - April 16, 2015 at 6:05 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 3:30 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 16, 2015 at 3:38 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 3:42 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 16, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Pizza - April 16, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Rhondazvous - April 17, 2015 at 3:48 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 16, 2015 at 9:19 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Rhondazvous - April 17, 2015 at 11:38 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by vorlon13 - April 17, 2015 at 9:31 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Goon - April 17, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 17, 2015 at 5:58 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 17, 2015 at 1:17 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 17, 2015 at 5:18 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 17, 2015 at 5:33 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Rhondazvous - April 17, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 17, 2015 at 5:37 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by KevinM1 - April 17, 2015 at 5:41 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 17, 2015 at 7:16 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by dyresand - April 17, 2015 at 7:20 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Goon - April 17, 2015 at 7:34 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by dyresand - April 17, 2015 at 7:56 pm
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by robvalue - April 18, 2015 at 4:32 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Cyberman - April 18, 2015 at 5:10 am
RE: incurable/chronic/terminal illnesses - by Rhondazvous - April 18, 2015 at 7:33 pm



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