RE: Holocaust denial
April 25, 2015 at 3:04 am
(This post was last modified: April 25, 2015 at 3:11 am by Aractus.)
(April 24, 2015 at 11:25 pm)Kitan Wrote: Stupid people are going to be stupid.
Well not stupid, but misinformed. Take for instance this video:
http://youtu.be/4Yqz4l5DbxU
1. There are pictures of those same ovens that show multiple human remains in them after cremation. So there's photographic evidence that multiple bodies were burned in the crematorium ovens, yet he only shows one picture with makes it look like this wasn't possible.
2. He claims the capability to cremate 2,000 bodies a day is nonsense, and that they would need 50 ovens. Well, from 1943 Auschwitz did in fact have 52 operational crematorium ovens.
3. "Why would they cut the hair?" - well they did, and there were hundreds of sacks of them. There are pictures of them, the British and allied troops saw them and opened them first hand. And the evidence shows they were used by the Nazi's for felt and thread and saved for other future uses.
4. It's true that Dachau did not have a homicidal gas chamber.
5. "There was only 4 million Jews in all of Europe in WWII" - no, there was 9 million. I don't know where he got his 4 million figure from, he doesn't say, and it's up to him to prove his case for it.
6. It's irrelevant that the number of people who died in Auschwitz was about 1.5 million as opposed to the originally reported 4 million. Historians that calculate the total number of people killed in the Holocaust look at all the relevant and current data for all the concentration camps, as well of course as the numbers pertaining to the Jewish populations and other minority populations that were imprisoned in them. In Auschwitz around 90% of the prisoners were Jewish, and that was the case for a number of camps in Poland since the Nazi's had them moved out of the camps in mother Germany and into those ones.
7. He claims that "you would need a thousand people to do that" - well Auschwitz was staffed by around 7000 people; and all the inmates were made to do slave labour including disposing of the bodies of other inmates. In 1943 the prisoner population of Auschwitz was 80,000 people.
8. It's irrelevant that some of the details in eyewitness testimony is wrong. That's always the case, and it's something that is understood now. Just because there are some problems, and some details that are wrong doesn't negate the whole witness testimony, it simply means that you have to look at what witnesses wrote with a critical eye and harmonise the accounts. Same thing police do with witness statements.
(April 25, 2015 at 2:30 am)downbeatplumb Wrote: Treblinka 2 was designed purely to kill.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treblinka_e...ation_camp
Fair enough!
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The WIN/Gallup End of Year Survey 2013 found the US was perceived to be the greatest threat to world peace by a huge margin, with 24% of respondents fearful of the US followed by: 8% for Pakistan, and 6% for China. This was followed by 5% each for: Afghanistan, Iran, Israel, North Korea. -LINK
"That's disgusting. There were clean athletes out there that have had their whole careers ruined by people like Lance Armstrong who just bended thoughts to fit their circumstances. He didn't look up cheating because he wanted to stop, he wanted to justify what he was doing and to keep that continuing on." - Nicole Cooke