(April 27, 2015 at 12:47 pm)Drew_2013 Wrote: Kitan,So what I think you are saying here is that there is evidence for a godless universe, you can offer no evidence for a god and then proceed to have a go at us for being smug and condescending even as you admit we are right and while clinging to your bronze age mythology like a toddler with a blanky
Quote:But there is no evidence...Stop being so fucking retarded.
Quote:That's right just close your eyes and like Dorthy just keep tapping your heels together and repeat mindlessly there's no evidence of theism...there's no evidence of theism
Whateverist
Theism exists.
By that I mean that people believe in gods, you are a theist therefore thesim is a thing.
What's missing is any evidence to support that belief.
Quote:You got nothin.
Quote:I'm sure that will completely persuade totally committed born again atheists...
Is a born again atheist someone how has learnt to use reason?
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Quote:Again Drew, the claim that predictable physical laws and patterns are impossible in, or inconsistent with, a universe that was not intelligently designed is a claim that you have to provide evidence for, instead of just assuming because of your intuition that it should be so. All you have done here is assume your conclusion and then smugly condescend to anyone who won't do the same, as though if you talk down to us you can fool everyone into thinking your unevidenced claim has validity.
Quote:The argument is that we owe our existence to a Creator who intentionally and purposely created the universe to sustain life, the evidence is the fact we're alive and exist in a universe that has laws of physics that allowed the existence of stars, galaxies, solar systems and planets. Fair and impartial folks who read our respective arguments can weigh the evidence for themselves.
But there is no evidence for this position. Nor is there any explanation as to how this "creator" could have done it. This as far away from being any sort of explanation as it is possible to get.
Quote:Secondly, I didn't claim it was impossible for a universe such as we observe to have been caused by mechanistic forces. In the original post I cited facts (also known as evidence) that supports the claim we owe our existence to unguided unplanned coincidence...
-The laws of physics over vast periods of time appear to have caused all the things we observe including our own existence.
-Much of the universe appears to be chaotic and unguided.
-Evolution appears to account for how living things developed on going complexity.
Unlike the atheists in here who repetitiously claim over and over there's no evidence in favor of theism, I admit there is evidence in favor of atheism.
When you cite the evidence above are you being smug and condescending?
You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid.
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