"Whether or not an atheist agreed with you is irrelevant. You've explained a great deal but all you've done is tell me stories based on nothing. I've already read your first two posts and I've responded to the first one. You've said little of value in terms of "Why there must be a god."
The reason why I mentioned your fellow athiest agreeing with me is to show that someone else did understand what was being said regarding science in the first two posts. YOU obviosuly didnt understand which is why all your posts show you have not understood what was said in my first two posts.
"Premise 1 is self evidently true of the material and finite universe. However, it tries to baselessly smuggle in the concept of an infinite god into the argument so the proposer can say ta-da god exists."
This has already been dealt with, I think you know it or just cant think logically enough in order to see it. It doesnt baselessly try to smuggle in a creator. Clearly I said we derive the neccessity of a unlimited, independent creator based on the fact that what you have mentioned of the finite universe exists since the aforementioned creator can be the only solution to how everything eixts. The basis is the material and finite universe and as you mentioned its undeniable charachteristics. Do note that I am not saying God is material or has colour or anything like this since these things themselves AS WE KNOW within our realm and hence limited and dependent i.e. not attributable to God. Therefore if you dont like using the word God dont use it just use the word creator since that would fit the equation. However I think God is fine too since as previosuly mentioned most people use the word to identifiy the unlimited, independent, self sufficient creator we are talking about. I have already said if we want further information about him we could only get them from the creator e.g. revelation.
"commits the fallacy of begging the question, as it cannot be demonstrated to be the case and assumes that it is true."
It cannot be demonstrated to be the case because the request for such a demonstration is illogical and basless. Since God is unlimited and independent and our realm is the opposite how can we test him, this we have already discussed. Likewise for the millionth time the creator is logically derived from our existence which we consider to be factual and true and that is the basis for deriving God. Therefore it doesnt assume God to be true, rather the truth is arrived at through logically understanding the truth of our existence and understanding their is only one possible solution is the same way x+3=5 where x must be 2.
"Nu-uh. It's an unlimited, independent, eternal rabbit hybrid"
Already explained this. yes it is unlimited, independent and eternal but what do we imagine of a rabbit it has ears, eats sleeps etc. The attributes of a rabbit that we imagine are limited and dependent so we cannot attribute them to the creator. Anything material in our realm is limited and dependent so we cannot attribute to God. Like I said it is impossible for us to imagine what an unlimited and independent creator looks like or is like. Only the creator knows and its only when he informs of his other attributes can we say he is such and such.
Anyway I won't post further, things to do, but I will post another thread which will prove the quran is from the creator so do check it out when I come to do it.
The reason why I mentioned your fellow athiest agreeing with me is to show that someone else did understand what was being said regarding science in the first two posts. YOU obviosuly didnt understand which is why all your posts show you have not understood what was said in my first two posts.
"Premise 1 is self evidently true of the material and finite universe. However, it tries to baselessly smuggle in the concept of an infinite god into the argument so the proposer can say ta-da god exists."
This has already been dealt with, I think you know it or just cant think logically enough in order to see it. It doesnt baselessly try to smuggle in a creator. Clearly I said we derive the neccessity of a unlimited, independent creator based on the fact that what you have mentioned of the finite universe exists since the aforementioned creator can be the only solution to how everything eixts. The basis is the material and finite universe and as you mentioned its undeniable charachteristics. Do note that I am not saying God is material or has colour or anything like this since these things themselves AS WE KNOW within our realm and hence limited and dependent i.e. not attributable to God. Therefore if you dont like using the word God dont use it just use the word creator since that would fit the equation. However I think God is fine too since as previosuly mentioned most people use the word to identifiy the unlimited, independent, self sufficient creator we are talking about. I have already said if we want further information about him we could only get them from the creator e.g. revelation.
"commits the fallacy of begging the question, as it cannot be demonstrated to be the case and assumes that it is true."
It cannot be demonstrated to be the case because the request for such a demonstration is illogical and basless. Since God is unlimited and independent and our realm is the opposite how can we test him, this we have already discussed. Likewise for the millionth time the creator is logically derived from our existence which we consider to be factual and true and that is the basis for deriving God. Therefore it doesnt assume God to be true, rather the truth is arrived at through logically understanding the truth of our existence and understanding their is only one possible solution is the same way x+3=5 where x must be 2.
"Nu-uh. It's an unlimited, independent, eternal rabbit hybrid"
Already explained this. yes it is unlimited, independent and eternal but what do we imagine of a rabbit it has ears, eats sleeps etc. The attributes of a rabbit that we imagine are limited and dependent so we cannot attribute them to the creator. Anything material in our realm is limited and dependent so we cannot attribute to God. Like I said it is impossible for us to imagine what an unlimited and independent creator looks like or is like. Only the creator knows and its only when he informs of his other attributes can we say he is such and such.
Anyway I won't post further, things to do, but I will post another thread which will prove the quran is from the creator so do check it out when I come to do it.
