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Technological Immortality
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RE: Technological Immortality
(May 1, 2015 at 1:24 pm)James Redford Wrote:
(May 1, 2015 at 12:44 pm)Chas Wrote: Only if one accepts the premise of an "Omega Point".  I don't.  
The existence of an Omega Point is not required by the laws of physics.

Hi, Chas. Actually, the Omega Point final singularity is mathematically unavoidable per the known laws of physics (viz., the Second Law of Thermodynamics, General Relativity, and Quantum Mechanics), of which have been confirmed by every experiment to date. Hence, the only way to avoid the Omega Point Theorem is to reject empirical science. For the details on this, see Sec. 3: "Physics of the Omega Point Cosmology", Subsec. 3.1: "The Omega Point", pp. 12-19 of my aforecited article "The Physics of God and the Quantum Gravity Theory of Everything".

No, it is not mathematically unavoidable.  You have swallowed some fishy story hook, line, and sinker.

You Wrote:The known laws of physics require there be intelligent civilizations in existence at
the appropriate time in order to force the collapse of the universe and then manipulate
its collapse so that the computational capacity of the universe can diverge to infinity.

Martin Gardner called it the "completely ridiculous anthropic principle" (CRAP).

You haven't actually done the math.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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Messages In This Thread
Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 12:25 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 1, 2015 at 12:27 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Chas - May 1, 2015 at 12:29 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 12:37 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Chas - May 1, 2015 at 12:44 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LostLocke - May 1, 2015 at 12:51 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LostLocke - May 1, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 2:02 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AFTT47 - May 1, 2015 at 5:39 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by dyresand - May 12, 2015 at 2:26 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by dyresand - May 12, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 2:46 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by dyresand - May 12, 2015 at 3:54 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 1:24 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Homeless Nutter - May 1, 2015 at 1:36 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Chas - May 1, 2015 at 7:17 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 2:38 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Homeless Nutter - May 1, 2015 at 12:49 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 12:30 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Esquilax - May 1, 2015 at 1:07 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Esquilax - May 1, 2015 at 4:59 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 1:57 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Mudhammam - May 1, 2015 at 3:11 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 1:51 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Homeless Nutter - May 1, 2015 at 12:36 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AFTT47 - May 1, 2015 at 12:50 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 1:43 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 1, 2015 at 1:08 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 1, 2015 at 1:46 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 1, 2015 at 1:48 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Homeless Nutter - May 1, 2015 at 1:53 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 1, 2015 at 1:59 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Iroscato - May 1, 2015 at 2:03 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LostLocke - May 1, 2015 at 2:13 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 1, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Exian - May 1, 2015 at 2:23 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by The Grand Nudger - May 1, 2015 at 2:45 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 1:47 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by Iroscato - May 1, 2015 at 3:13 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AdamLOV - May 1, 2015 at 5:07 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by KevinM1 - May 1, 2015 at 5:32 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AdamLOV - May 1, 2015 at 5:51 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AFTT47 - May 1, 2015 at 6:12 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by KevinM1 - May 1, 2015 at 6:13 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AdamLOV - May 1, 2015 at 6:29 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - May 12, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by dyresand - May 12, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by FatAndFaithless - May 12, 2015 at 1:49 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LastPoet - May 12, 2015 at 2:00 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LastPoet - May 12, 2015 at 2:34 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by dyresand - May 12, 2015 at 2:39 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by LastPoet - May 12, 2015 at 2:56 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by robvalue - May 12, 2015 at 3:44 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by AFTT47 - May 12, 2015 at 7:52 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by James Redford - June 19, 2015 at 9:59 pm
RE: Technological Immortality - by The Grand Nudger - June 19, 2015 at 11:01 pm



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