RE: A Former Atheist
May 3, 2015 at 6:28 pm
(This post was last modified: May 3, 2015 at 6:32 pm by Chas.)
(May 3, 2015 at 1:18 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote:abaris Wrote:So, let's get down to business. Name a few, so that we can admire their credentials. Scientists in many fields, you say. So there have to be many names behind this claim.
Right . . . credentials meaning whether or not they agree with you, eh? This list isn't my own but for the life of me I can't remember the site where I got it. Teachers of the Bible as well as critical of evolution:
Wolf-Ekkehard Lonnig, has done scientific work dealing with genetic mutation in plants for the past 30 years, for 21 of those years with the Max Planck Institute for Plant Breeding Research in Cologne, Germany. Also an elder in the Christian congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Byron Leon Meadows works at the National Aeronautics and Space Administration in the field of laser physics. He is currently involved in the development of technology to improve the ability to monitor global climate, weather and other planetary phenomena. Also an elder in the congregation of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Kenneth Lloyd Tanaka is a geologist employed by the U.S. Geological Survey of Flagstaff, Arizona. For 30 years doing work in scientific research in various fields of geology including planetary geology. He has had dozens of research articles and geologic maps of Mars published in accredited scientific journals, and is also a JW.
Paula Kincheloe has several years of experience as a researcher in the fields of cell and molecular biology and microbiology. In addition to studies in DNA, RNA, proteins, and metabolic pathways she is also a volunteer Bible instructor for Russian speaking communities as a JW.
Enrique Hernandez-Lemus is a full time minister with the JW's and also a theoretical physicist working at the National University of Mexico. His secular work involves finding a thermodynamically feasible explanation for the phenomenon known as gravothermal catastrophe, a mechanism of star growth. He has also worked with the complexity in DNA sequences.
Scientists critical of evolution.
Eric Bapteste (evolutionary scientist), Joachim Barrande (paleontologist), John Barrow (professor), Dr. Carol Cleland (NASA Astrobiology Institute), Michael Denton (molecular biologist), Henry Gee (zoologist), Malcolm S. Gordon (biologist), Stuart Newman (biologist), Radu Popa (microbiologist), David M. Raup (paleontologist), Michael Rose (biologist), Robert Shapiro (professor of chemistry)
You might get a tiny scrap of respect if you cited your sources. Like this.
A handful of scientists who are JW compared to thousands who are atheists or non-religious is just not very convincing or even interesting.
(May 3, 2015 at 2:36 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote:(May 3, 2015 at 1:57 pm)Jörmungandr Wrote: Would you describe yourself as a creationist, and if so, what kind, YEC or OEC?
I don't like using terminology like that because it can be misleading and restrictive. I know it can also be useful, but still. I believe in the Bible's creation account which I guess you could call OEC Creationist.
I'm going to introduce a new thread in the Christian forum this evening on that very subject if you would be interested in discussing it further, or just check it out.
Except you previously stated that you believed the world was 6000 years old. That makes you a Young-Earth Creationist, a YEC.
(May 3, 2015 at 2:53 pm)Theoretical Skeptic Wrote: What do you mean by prove? Prove each point you made in this thread. Let's see if you can do that. You see, scholars on my side say the soul is immortal, according to the Bible. Ezekiel 18:4 says "the soul that is sinning itself shall die." Easy. Your turn.
There is no evidence of the existence of the soul. Your turn.
Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
Science is not a subject, but a method.