(September 17, 2010 at 7:32 am)Ashendant Wrote: I never heard of this and my country is socialistm, i think you're confusing socialism with communismFrom Wikipedia:
"Socialism is an economic and political theory advocating public or common ownership and cooperative management of the means of production and allocation of resources." (bolding mine)
A lot of countries that claim to be socialist aren't in the true sense of the word, just as a lot of countries that claim to be capitalist aren't in the true sense of the world. Most countries are a mixture of both, with a tilt to either one side or the other.
(September 17, 2010 at 7:42 am)lrh9 Wrote: Firstly, I wasn't talking about socialism. I was pointing out the flaws of capitalism.Yes...and I pointed out that this was no different in socialism. You then said "try again", which I took to mean you disagreeing with me, hence me explaining my position.
Quote:You're sounding remarkably religious right now. Just like all other theists must learn, simply because you can poke holes in another person's idea that does not automatically make your own better.Nor did I claim it did. Your argument is a strawman. I was actually defending part of socialism in my post if you hadn't noticed, saying that it too understands that you need a surplus of goods. There is no efficient system that can predict the market forces; not under socialism, not under capitalism. The best system we have is to make more than we might need, in order to meet the initial demand, and then to manufacture more based on how well the product initially sold.
Quote:I succeeded in making you expand your point.Yeah, by making a snarky comment. Nothing to be proud of really.
Quote:The only thing you've logically proven is that a socialistic system does not preclude frivolous manufacturing. However, I am right that socialism is the only system which could theoretically permit the government to specify what manufacturers produce. Therefore, a socialistic system such as what I'm talking about is better than a capitalistic system if you want to reduce waste by means of standardization.No, you are wrong. Socialism isn't the *only* system that could do such a thing. Regulated capitalism could do exactly the same, through various methods: taxing corporations for the waste they use, enacting anti-competitive laws, etc.
Indeed, in a theoretical consumer-oriented capitalist society, the same behaviour would come about via private lobbying groups representing the consumers. If respect for the environment is established as a attractive position for a company, then that company will strive to meet with consumer demands for environmental action.