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Ramadi
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RE: Ramadi
(May 24, 2015 at 8:13 pm)Minimalist Wrote:
Quote:Mercenaries and auxiliaries are useless and dangerous; and if one holds his state based on these arms, he will stand neither firm nor safe; for they are disunited, ambitious and without discipline, unfaithful, valiant before friends, cowardly before enemies; they have neither the fear of God nor fidelity to men, and destruction is deferred only so long as the attack is; for in peace one is robbed by them, and in war by the enemy. The fact is, they have no other attraction or reason for keeping the field than a trifle of stipend, which is not sufficient to make them willing to die for you. They are ready enough to be your soldiers whilst you do not make war, but if war comes they take themselves off or run from the foe


Niccolo Machiavelli, The Prince  

It was true in 1513 and it is still true today.

The "army" of the Iraq that we created does not qualify even as an mercenary army.   A true mercenary army, however treacherous, usually has some non-zero record of esprit de corp and fighting skill, such that it could at least be attempted to be believed that when correctly incentivized (for example by having absolute air supremacy and out numbering its foes 40 to 1), it would put up some pretense of fighting that would not be too ambarassing to watch.

What we have under the banner of "Iraqi national army" is an opportunistic second rate gang, not even a mercenary army.

Iraq has the raw material to make a real mercenary army.   It is the trained Sunni officers and men of saddam's old iraqi national army.    But in the glorious wisdom unique to neoconservatism, spiked with gloating vindictive non-inclusivity of American right wing in general, we cashiered those men, sent them packing back to their sunni homes and installed a Shia regime, just as corrupt as saddam and far less capable of keeping the lights on and the street so safe, over them to rob them blind.    So those men, who could actually have given the new Iraqi state a mercenary army worthy of the name "army", are now with the Sunni Islamic State.

So guess what, if only the new Iraqi state had a mercenary army that is actually an army, it wouldn't be in its current state.   But such mercenary army as could be had in post saddam Iraq is, guess what, training and fighting for the Sunni IS, against the shia Iraqi state we, the U.S., had set up, thanks entirely to US of A and the same bunch who screamed for a witch hunt against Clinton over Benghazi.
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Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 18, 2015 at 7:04 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - May 19, 2015 at 12:29 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 2:10 am
RE: Ramadi - by brewer - July 2, 2015 at 6:41 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Mudhammam - May 20, 2015 at 1:53 am
RE: Ramadi - by nihilistcat - May 20, 2015 at 4:12 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 2:29 am
RE: Ramadi - by CapnAwesome - May 19, 2015 at 2:46 am
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - May 24, 2015 at 12:42 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - May 24, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Ramadi - by CapnAwesome - May 24, 2015 at 11:48 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 2:50 am
RE: Ramadi - by Silver - May 19, 2015 at 2:51 am
RE: Ramadi - by ignoramus - May 19, 2015 at 4:33 am
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 2:57 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - May 19, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 19, 2015 at 3:04 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:47 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 20, 2015 at 1:54 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - May 20, 2015 at 2:58 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 24, 2015 at 12:38 pm
RE: Ramadi - by nihilistcat - May 24, 2015 at 3:12 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 24, 2015 at 3:17 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 24, 2015 at 8:13 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - May 24, 2015 at 9:35 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - May 24, 2015 at 8:43 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 24, 2015 at 8:53 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 24, 2015 at 11:05 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by nihilistcat - May 25, 2015 at 8:09 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 25, 2015 at 8:10 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - May 27, 2015 at 10:06 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - June 11, 2015 at 2:14 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - June 12, 2015 at 12:37 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - June 23, 2015 at 4:19 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 3:49 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - July 2, 2015 at 4:37 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 2, 2015 at 6:31 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 22, 2015 at 10:49 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by abaris - July 23, 2015 at 9:42 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 23, 2015 at 10:06 pm
RE: Ramadi - by abaris - July 24, 2015 at 6:25 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 27, 2015 at 8:31 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Aristocatt - July 28, 2015 at 1:11 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - July 30, 2015 at 6:17 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - August 13, 2015 at 12:28 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - August 27, 2015 at 1:05 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 26, 2015 at 8:33 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - September 26, 2015 at 11:30 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 12:42 am
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RE: Ramadi - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 27, 2015 at 2:57 am
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2015 at 7:40 am
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RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - September 27, 2015 at 9:01 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - September 26, 2015 at 11:49 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 2:37 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 2:37 am
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - September 27, 2015 at 2:56 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 3:14 am
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2015 at 6:51 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 28, 2015 at 2:21 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 8:08 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Wyrd of Gawd - September 28, 2015 at 2:23 am
RE: Ramadi - by Silver - September 28, 2015 at 2:31 am
RE: Ramadi - by Anomalocaris - September 27, 2015 at 10:33 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 27, 2015 at 10:38 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - September 28, 2015 at 12:47 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 28, 2015 at 12:48 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - September 30, 2015 at 7:57 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 4, 2015 at 4:57 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Wyrd of Gawd - October 6, 2015 at 3:54 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 8, 2015 at 2:50 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 11:43 am
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - October 9, 2015 at 1:58 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 9, 2015 at 2:11 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 13, 2015 at 11:48 am
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 15, 2015 at 11:38 am
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 29, 2015 at 6:34 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - October 31, 2015 at 5:31 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 1:29 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - November 11, 2015 at 2:25 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - November 11, 2015 at 3:46 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - November 12, 2015 at 1:06 pm
RE: Ramadi - by The Grand Nudger - November 12, 2015 at 2:09 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - November 27, 2015 at 1:10 pm
RE: Ramadi - by A Raggedly Bohemian Radical - November 27, 2015 at 6:06 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - December 6, 2015 at 1:41 pm
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RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - December 20, 2015 at 2:06 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - December 28, 2015 at 2:22 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - December 30, 2015 at 11:07 pm
RE: Ramadi - by The Grand Nudger - December 31, 2015 at 9:01 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - December 31, 2015 at 11:20 am
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - January 23, 2016 at 1:59 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 1:34 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - January 23, 2016 at 2:42 am
RE: Ramadi - by account_inactive - January 24, 2016 at 4:15 am
RE: Ramadi - by The Valkyrie - February 10, 2016 at 9:49 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Thumpalumpacus - January 23, 2016 at 3:30 am
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - February 4, 2016 at 6:57 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - February 10, 2016 at 9:45 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - April 2, 2016 at 3:49 pm
RE: Ramadi - by The Grand Nudger - April 2, 2016 at 3:50 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Wyrd of Gawd - April 2, 2016 at 11:02 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - April 2, 2016 at 3:56 pm
RE: Ramadi - by Minimalist - April 2, 2016 at 11:30 pm
RE: Ramadi - by The Grand Nudger - April 5, 2016 at 9:19 am
RE: Ramadi - by abaris - April 5, 2016 at 9:57 am

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