RE: If God sent your child to Hell.
May 26, 2015 at 11:42 am
(This post was last modified: May 26, 2015 at 12:21 pm by Anima.)
(May 26, 2015 at 4:03 am)robvalue Wrote: I just looked up that guy, and it looks like he's a swindler. So, yes. He was causing harm, swindling. We stop him doing that by locking him up. If we let him just carry on, he may keep doing it. Of course prison doubles as a deterrent and a kind of punishment, but my point is that is not its main purpose. And it only serves any purpose at all when the people in it are actually alive.
What's this got to do with reanimating people and then imprisoning them?
And I don't understand your point about the innocent not being subjected to the guilty? Are you talking about heaven? It's possible to just let someone die and not put them into heaven without also reanimating them and torturing them. Well, I assume it is, if you are a god.
Sorry; I did not finish that post. I started and then bailed to go to dinner

Did you check how long he was locked up for? 150 years. So we are saying that society needs to be protected from this man for 150 years but society needs protection from a rapist for only 2 to 25 years.
In response to your statement about imprisoning people to protect society we will state the claim is not supported by the sentencing structure adopted for criminal conduct. Furthermore I would state imprisonment as retributivist act is more reasonable as rehabilitative or dissuasive view due to our ability to effectuate the former while still being accepting of the median and latter.
(May 25, 2015 at 3:49 pm)Aroura Wrote: This is one reason I reject the notion of free-will (aside from evidence pointing to it's lack of existence!), it leads to this kind of barbaric blaming nonsense. No, a person doesn't chose to be bad. A person is born into bad circumstance, or born with genetic damage that causes their bad behavior, or both.
If God will condemn a person to eternal damnation who is born with a mental illness not under their control, or condemn a person born into poverty who's only role models are gang member, and then rewards a person with eternal happiness for being born into privilege and good genetics, AND that god created all those conditions in the first place, that god is a monster.
Remember how many Christians started accepting homosexuality more once science proved it wasn't a choice? "Choice" aka - freewill is the loophole Christians use for their twisted moral code. And there is...no...such..thing. Not in the libertarian way you keep using the term, anyway.
I didn't chose to be an atheist, it just happened to me through a process of exposure to information and events I had no control over.
Where are your monstrous beliefs going to hide when we find that is the case for pretty much everything? Choice. Ha!
I CANNOT chose to force myself to believe in a god I find illogical and highly improbably to exist. I know, I tried. If a god exists and he condemns me to hell for that...he's a monster. Period. You don't know how many atheists suffered trying so hard to believe, but they couldn't.
You know I had every intention of writing four different responses to the notion of free will and choice (I was even going to discuss the homosexuality is not a choice statement) under a philosophical, psychological (since psychology has not proved as you claim), legal, and evolutionary biology position. But then I realized there is no point.
In opposition to what I have already stated your response is to say that people are meat automatons that do not make choices nor are they free to make any choices (,which would seem odd as not all the meat puppets born into the same circumstance and even family reach the same outcome. Might we argue different quality of meat? Filet vs Rump?).
In conceding the battle I avoid the war, acceptance of your response renders the original question moot. Theist contend a person goes to hell based on their choices. If they are incapable of making choices (due to infancy, insanity, disability, or being a meat automation) then they do not go to hell. (Yes, if Hitler's acts were because he was crazy he should not go to hell.)
As a meat automaton you have as much likelihood of perdition as a rock or tree. There is no metaphysical person to speak of and even if there were it sounds as if their person is trapped in a hell of ineptness already. Forced to watch the world play out around them as their meat responds to stimuli and they are dragged along for the ride (reminds me of the ending to Being John Malcovich.)
However, I would think twice before opening the prisons and letting the serial killers and rapists out. While the contention is exposing their meat automaton to different stimuli will keep them from their prior conduct I would give consideration to the idea that their conduct was a choice which they may readily make again.