Because the bible tells you so?

[The Grand Nudger]

The point that I am trying to get across is that I want you to argue with what I say. Not what you'll anticipate I'll say

-and I have.  I think that what you said was absurd, frankly, and I would like you to demonstrate how you know that it was true...that the system presented in the bible was the best possible system for the world, or the israelites....at that time.  

No, its completely different. Most theists don't even know what the bible says. A point often repeated on these boards. So, ignorance from the bible, yet credulity to your church is not equivalent. Most witnesses can explain their beliefs with scriptures. Mormons for example, will not even use the book of mormon for their beliefs. They might go to the pearl of great price or the doctrines and covenants. If a catholic or mormon wants to show me their framework based on the scriptures then its a different story. 

You know that they can, you simply disagree with their interpretations.  

It seems to be a favorite pastime on these boards to point out all of the hypocrisy of christians. Especially when it comes to Jesus own words. But for me, I'll start with the Trinity. Jesus said that no one is good, including himself, but god in heaven. He said that God was the only being that knew when the end would come, even he himself didn't know at that time. When he got baptized, gods voice was heard saying, "this is my son the approved" so for starters, I don't believe anyone can say they truly follow christ and believe that he is equal to god. Sure, you can pick a scripture here and there that says what you want but you're ignoring the composite picture of the scriptures

I'm not looking to point out any hypocrisy Nica......?  Look, I don't believe in the trinity either..and I think that the scriptures don't make the case -to my satisfaction-...but I understand that I'm rigging the game when I say that.  I'm only trying to help you understand that this is also true for you.  In this case, I think it's more an issue of your having been raised to believe that this is true, rather than it actually being true - and it certainly seems to have -nothing- to do with your ability to demonstrate that your conclusion is true (unless you'd like to provide that? -it's not a requirement....of course).  They were raised with a similar framework but within a different sect of the faith..and so think the same of you and your beliefs, and your interpretations of what scripture means....and don;t worry, I think that their remarks on your faith.....equally ridiculous to me...are in a the same position. 

Without some way to conclude that your sect, and your interpretations are the correct ones -and this can't simply be assumed-, the christer obsession with calling all of the other christers less christian, and themselves True Christians™...is DOA.  I, personally, can't arbitrate that disagreement of opinion between the groups because they will each, despite your claim above, be able to provide me with chapter and verse for their beliefs.  I can only say that I think that they are all being ridiculous, that the scriptures are fiction...but that doesn't help to arbitrate that disagreement, eh?  It doesn't actually matter to me whether that disagreement between the two of you is hypocritical, all that seems relevant to me is that neither of you can express this situation in a manner which removes the pure, obvious, and simple bias involved.  I don't have any reason to -trust- the conclusions reached by either side of that disagreement.

-and neither do you.