Quick Poll - Do you believe in God?

[Little Rik]

You can experience so many different state of consciousness by using drugs but here in the NDEs situations we are talking
about experiences caused by NATURAL means.

Opium comes from poppies, acid comes from 'shrooms and peyote and that is natural.  The body secretes its own opiates and acids and that is natural.  What is the difference between taking acid or opiates and the body secreting acid or opiates?

The difference is that the body (body-mind-consciousness) deliver only what is good for you.
Not a drop more and the correct thing.
Drugs as you say may well be natural BUT natural for other reasons.
Mushrooms have strong chemicals not for humans to use but for braking down decaying matter in the forest.
People who are serious about spirituality keep well away from mushrooms, onions and garlic among the other bad things like meat, seafood and eggs.
In nature there are countless chemicals that may have the effect of opening the conscious mind to new state of consciousness but it would be like forcing a door open.
It is just self-destructive.
Not worth it. 
You would be better to bang the head on the wall.
It would produce a lot less damage.

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]Sorry Ton but the researchers that THINK along those lines have NEVER came up with solid evidence.  They don't really know what happen after you die whether the consciousness die when your body die or live on waiting to get into a new body in order to continue his journey towards the goal of life.
You show me one solid evidence that the consciousness die when the body die and i will cover you in solid 24 carat gold.

"Solid" evidence of something that cannot be proven?  No.  However, since we have learned that the mind is a function of the brain, it makes sense that the mind would die with the brain.  To date, there is not a shred of evidence that the mind survives the death of the brain, so that assumption seems reasonable until such time as someone shows otherwise.  Whoever manages to prove that the mind survives the death of the body will get more than just a bit of gold; you'd be looking at a Nobel Prize (maybe more than one) and the gratitude of the world for discovering a whole new dimension of existence.

You don't even realize how you contradict yourself.
Before you say............something that cannot be proven..........and then you say.........since we have learned that the mind is a function of the brain.........
Now if it can not be proven that the consciousness die when the body die how can you have learned that the mind is a function of the brain?
Where is the evidence?
You still can't get it Ton, do you?
Researcher guess and you believe their guessing.
It would be wise for you Ton to take a step at the time.
Forget for a while whether the consciousness die or not when the body die.
Try instead to start from the beginning and try to understand how body-mind work.
Is a brain made of matter more important of something abstract and more important as the conscious mind or not? 

On the other hand, if all you have is claims and "you can't prove otherwise" then you're really not accomplishing anything.  The number of claims that we can make under that umbrella is limitless, which makes them nothing special.

All important discoveries always start with guessing and experiments.
If you think that the consciousness is a product of the vehicle then you start with the wrong guessing
that is why is important to start with the right foot so to speak. 
Try the other way around and you will see that make more sense.
One of these days i will charge you for giving all these tips. 

When i was a teen and i try LSD (never again after that) i thought i was in paradise.  You can experience so many different state of consciousness by using drugs but here in the NDEs situations we are talking about experiences caused by NATURAL means.
I haven't read the book you mention so i don't know what is all about but i doubt that those experiences can be compared to the real natural experiences.
It is very easy to mix the real with the artificially made.

The book is referring to the experience of Air Force pilots undergoing testing at high G-forces.  Many of them passed out, and in later interviews described all of the experiences of an NDE, right down to seeing themselves from the outside and seeing bright lights and meeting loved ones, and so on.  They didn't need drugs, they simply needed to place the brain in a situation where it was forced to try and make sense of a chaotic environment.  The thing is, they were not trying to do any sort of research into NDEs; they discovered this while researching the effect of high G-forces on prospective pilots.  But it gives a very strong impression of what the brain is doing when someone is near death, and it doesn't appear to have anything to do with spirit or a separate consciousness.

Ton, don't run too fast with your fantasy.
G-forces may not use any drugs and the experiences produced by that experiment may well be natural
as the force may produce a similar effect to when someone die.
The force may "FORCE" the consciousness to separate from the body-brain for sometime and therefore it is possible 
the experience an NDE.
Talking about the NDEs you got to consider that not all people (as already explained) are the same so each individual will experience what is good for him-her.
If these pilots are not interested in God why God would manifest in them?
They may see other things but not God.
This also apply to many other NDEs regardless of the cause of their NDE.
Not all see God.