(June 10, 2015 at 10:30 am)Dystopia Wrote:Quote:Can you explain to me how it is bias?A website named "thereligionofpeace" that only posts negative surveys, news and events concerning Muslims is clearly following a political agenda. Why should it be more valuable than rationalwiki?
Quote:The polls cited are from global and national surveys; they are done on a large scale, many Muslims do have good views, for example from that list, many disapprove of terrorism - but significant populations believe that people should die for leaving the religion.Ok - How many countries? What's the methodology used? How many people were surveyed? What questions were asked? What are the main characteristics of the surveyed demographics? Are they middle class? Rich? Poor? Are they from peaceful cities or areas where armed conflicts exist on a large scale?
Quote:They aren't fringe organisations - that's why Sam Harris and others have referred to them. PEW is a respected organisation.And? I don't care about what Sam Harris thinks, since I realized it's hard to distinguish his quotes from Hitler's. Sam Harris makes the mistake of blindly believing that doctrine must determine who you are, forgetting that it's the other way around - Otherwise, every believer in every religion would hold the exact same view. Also, Harris seems to have a complex of persecution and believes in the Eurabia conspiracy theory - He thinks people who disagree are "Islam apologists", believes everything against him is political correctness and never doubts he's right. That's the psychological behaviour of a fundamentalist. So fuck Sam Harris.
Quote:You can't simply post statistics and hope people buy into it. You need to provide your opinion, the methodology used, and why do you think the surveys are right. Additionally why should Egypt be that important?
Here is a PEW Global statistic.
Pew Research (2010): 82% of Egyptian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
70% of Jordanian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
42% of Indonesian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
82% of Pakistanis favor stoning adulterers
56% of Nigerian Muslims favor stoning adulterers
Quote:Pew Research (2010): 84% of Egyptian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving IslamSee above
86% of Jordanian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
30% of Indonesian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
76% of Pakistanis support death the penalty for leaving Islam
51% of Nigerian Muslims support the death penalty for leaving Islam
http://pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/muslims-...hezbollah/
1. Because that site isn't attempting to get a Muslim's view on what they think about non-related things. It is specifically asking them about Islam; not anything which is unrelated to Islam.
The Muslims were asked clear-cut questions: ''Do you believe in death for apostasy?'', ''Do you believe in honor killings?'', ''Thoughts on homosexuality?'' etc. These are basic questions which aren't surprising to Muslims given that such beliefs are in their own law.
The site isn't even smearing Muslims as terrorists, just posting what the general beliefs are of Muslims. Are most Muslims terrorist? No. But do signifcant numbers of Muslims believe in death for apostasy? Yes.
These are surveys which are done on global scales, even if they were ''cherry picked'' --- these are concerning, and scary results.
2. Right, why can't I post polls?
Instead of posting one poll - I am providing you with 50. The site I linked to gives you links to the research and methodology.
Here is an example from PEW - http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/musl...hezbollah/
3. Cenk is definitely an apologist - it was clear when he got trashed in that debate. How is Harris akin to Hitler?