RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 2:16 am
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2015 at 2:49 am by Thumpalumpacus.)
(June 17, 2015 at 12:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: The Church is made up of 1 billion people right now. To say "the Church" as a whole protected molesters is inaccurate. There were individuals within the Church who did, yes. But it was never condoned by the Pope and it was never even close to something the majority of Catholics did. The fact that human beings can make bad decisions does not, to me, dismantle an entire institution made up of billions of people.
As a matter of policy, the Church has moved those criminals about in order to prevent their prosecution. I don't think for a moment that the majority of the laity supported that policy, but it was in place and the Catholic hierarchy bears responsibility for abetting the molestation of children. Those weren't "bad decisions". Those were immoral acts.
Rather than coming to an atheist forum to ask us how we determine moral goodness, shouldn't you be asking these questions of your leaders?
(June 17, 2015 at 12:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Public school teachers commit more acts of abuse than any other career field, and a lot of times the school does cover it up. More so than the Church ever has done any of this.
Source this claim, please. Very, very few cases of teachers being shuffled around through schools in order to hide their guilt, to my knowledge.
(June 17, 2015 at 12:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And yet it would be silly for any of us to make the blanket statement that "Public Schools" are bad, or that Public Schools support child abuse.
That's probably because public schools don't make claims of moral leadership over humans.
Look, you're sitting here telling us that morality is absolute and comes from your god, but when you're confronted with the fact that a significant number of you god's holy men have been dreadfully immoral, your answer is, essentially, "they're human". Now, if your god is the font of morality, how is it that his own holy men cannot embody it? And more pointedly, what moral authority do they have to lecture anyone about morality? They tolerate molesters in their midst.
(June 17, 2015 at 12:52 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: It would also be silly to say all teachers are bad. People are people and people from all walks of life will do bad things. This is never an excuse, but it is a reason to not stereotype entire groups of people and not discount entire institutions based on the actions of the relative few.
I'm not stereotyping, young lady. Read what I'm writing, and quit laying false accusations. Abandon this straw man.
Also, I notice, you never did answer my question: do you financially support your Catholic Church?