(June 17, 2015 at 1:33 am)rexbeccarox Wrote:(June 17, 2015 at 12:41 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There have been people in the Church who have covered it up, yes. Those people did wrong and were definitely not acting on Church teaching.
"People"? Really? These aren't just "people", they're the leaders. These are the people leading your church.
A general criticism:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C..._responses
All of this couldn't continue to happen without leadership intervening:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_C...ir_effects
Do you understand that the only problem isn't the child abuse within the church (although, it's pretty awful, being that the Church claims to be the ultimate moral authority), but the cover-ups made by your church leaders, and the prevalence of that fact? That's not just pedophiles and sex abusers doing some awful stuff to people, but the people who enabled them... and by giving to your church, you are enabling it too. You can protest as much as you want, but I think a good look at what you're backing would benefit you in a lot of ways.
Hi Rex.
At this point I must admit I am not sure what else you folks want me to say. I feel like I keep being told the same things, and I keep responding with the same things... and it just seems to be going around in circles at this point. I can respond to this but it would be exactly the same as what I have already said about 10 times in the past 24 hours, and you will not be satisfied with my response lol.
Yes, there are and have been and always will be bad people who are Catholic, just like every other group.
Yes, some of those people have been higher up on the hierarchy.
No, the Church does not condone abuse or the cover up of abuse.
No, the Pope has not given orders for this abuse to be covered up.
No, the vast majority of Catholics do not condone abuse or cover ups.
No, the vast majority of priests do not abuse.
No, the vast majority of Catholics, including Church clergy, do not cover up abuse.
The percentage of priests who abuse are very small compared to men in other professions.
Abuse is not a "Catholic thing" (as it seems like it is being portrayed here). It is something that can and does happen amongst all groups.
Please don't stereotype and judge an entire institution and its people based on the actions of the relative few who went against this institution's teachings.
There are far more teachers and school staffers who abuse and cover up abuse. And yet... are we sitting here condemning schools in general, condemning teachers in general, and condemning people who give money donations to public school funds? No, we are not.
With that being said, I will leave you with this link in case you are interested in taking a look: http://www.themediareport.com/fast-facts/
Otherwise I think you will continue to believe an entire institution is flawed based on a minority of individuals' bad actions, and I will continue to believe that it is not. And it is perfectly ok to agree to disagree.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
