RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 12:04 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2015 at 12:12 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 17, 2015 at 5:42 am)Iroscato Wrote: It occurs to me that I didn't welcome you to the forum C_L, which I do so now.
HOWEVER.
Though you seem like a decent person, you appear to have fallen into the trap of committing doublethink to accomodate your religious beliefs. In my view, this is one of the great fundamental evils of organised religion - it makes good people do bad things, or adopt unhealthy viewpoints. Also, you say you were 'born a catholic', which is nonsense. Nobody is 'born' a catholic, or born a muslim, or born a jew or hindu or sikh or buddhist. You were born a human being as we all were, the filling of your head with fluff came after
Still, welcome to the forum, I hope you enjoy your time here
-Thanks!
-Can you give me examples of bad things I've done and/or unhealthy view points I have due to my beliefs?
-Haha, you are correct on that. I just meant I was born into a Catholic family and baptized when I was a baby.
-Thanks again!
(June 17, 2015 at 5:50 am)ignoramus Wrote:Quote:CL wrote:
"Regardless of my views on the morality of this though, I would never say that any 2 consenting adults should not be allowed to be together. It is their right to make that decision, and I respect their right to do so!"
Can anyone see the Freudian here?
Lol... no?
Can you explain?
(June 17, 2015 at 7:44 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:(June 16, 2015 at 1:15 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well first you have to understand that Hell is not a place you go to, kicking and screaming, where you will be burned and tortured by little men with horns. Hell is simply the only place where God is not present. And since God is goodness and love, Hell is a place where goodness and love are not present. That's why it is so bad.
The people who go to Hell are the people who reject goodness and love. For someone to avoid Hell, they don't necessarily have to believe in God. Maybe they were never taught about God. Maybe they just honestly could not bring themselves to believe He is real. This does not automatically mean they will go to Hell. What *does* automatically mean someone is going to Hell is that person's rejection of love and goodness, since God is love and goodness.
So the person who goes to Hell, a place where love and goodness are not present, is a person who *put themselves there* by choosing to reject love and goodness.
There is nothing immoral about Jesus being the messenger of this news.
As for your thing about thoughts... thoughts certainly can be immoral if they are intentionally indulged upon. For example, I am married. If I *choose* to sit around and day dream all day about having sex with another man, I am doing something immoral. I am not talking about involuntarily having a thought pop in my head and then brushing it away. I am talking about actively day dreaming and fantasizing about other men. A more obvious example would be a man who is attracted to children. If an inappropriate thought about children involuntarily pops into his head, and he pushes it away, he did not do anything wrong. But if he makes the conciese decision to sit there and start fantasisincg about rapping children, he is doing something immoral.
Jesus was simply reminding us that yes, thoughts *can* be immoral.
First, I like your sig, but the only religions I can think of that seem to be based on it are Jainism, Quakerism, and Universalism.
Second your description of hell sounds very made-up. You've dumped omnipresence from your version of God's list of omniattributes to come up with a version of hell that makes God seem less culpable for eternal torture (as though the creator of a system that results in eternal torture for anyone can escape culpability by semantic tricks). If you're going to be that unbiblical, why not chuck hell altogether, or make it brief? Your main guide to belief seems to be avoiding anything that might make you uncomfortable, why hold on to hell at all? It can easily go away or be transformed into a temporary, education experience through the magic of cherry-picking and scriptural interpretation.
-Thank you. Why not Catholicism?
-Well, the basis and important part of what I need to know about Hell as a Catholic is that it is a place where God is not present. The rest (whether it has fire, etc) is really just detail. The thing I said about goodness and love is something that some theologians, after years of study and dedication, have said. It made sense to me and that is what I have chosen to believe about it.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
