RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 17, 2015 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: June 17, 2015 at 12:41 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 17, 2015 at 10:48 am)robvalue Wrote: When someone says someing I can't possibly fathom like "same gender/extra marital sex is immoral" then I can only think of two explanations:
1) The person already thinks there's something wrong with it, for whatever reason, or has been taught there is something wrong with it. They then use religion as a way to avoid having to give reasons why it is actually immoral.
2) They don't think it is immoral, but the religion they have chosen tells them that it is, so they convince themselves that it is.
To demonstrate I'm wrong would be a simple matter of giving an actual reason why same sex or extra marital sex necessarily causes any more harm than marital, straight sex. It's all the same thing. Pregnancy is the same (except not even a problem for same sex, bonus!), spread of STDs is the same... things don't become magically right and "moral" because of an abstract agreement like marriage.
That's just my analysis and opinions. I'm not trying to single out Catholic Lady here or expecting her to respond, this is my general thoughts for everyone who holds such views.
A god that would actually forbid or get upset about two consenting adults doing what they want together and not hurting anyone else is not what I'd call "good". Instead I'd call it a sexually obsessed control freak. This is a use of the term "immoral" which deviates entirely from what it actually should mean, which is harmful. This is the problem when you have words meaning two things at once.
I respect your views. Honestly, I would not expect you to understand my reasons, especially because I know I don't do the best job of explaining it.
(June 17, 2015 at 10:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: Come on, Rob...
Sex is for procreation, only.
Lol, well I don't believe that either!
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
