(June 18, 2015 at 1:56 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 18, 2015 at 1:31 am)Neimenovic Wrote: Don't apologize for others. It hasn't 'failed' me. It hurt my brain.
I know people say that to me a lot here, and I appreciate it. But I feel like as Christians we need to take responsibility for our failures. Yes, it was technically "others" but we are all part of the same group together and I feel like we need to take responsibility for the times we fell short.
I hate to post and run, but I really need to go to bed. But before I do, I'd like to know how you square your sentiment that we need to take responsibility for our failures with the notion of vicarious redemption. Please take a look at the Christopher Hitchens quote in Rhythm's signature. If you think Hitchens is wrong to express repugnance at the idea of vicarious redemption, how does that relate to any sense of moral responsibility? Yes, I know that Christians think of Christ's alleged sacrifice as an act of God's love and grace. But to think the act itself makes any sense, it seems to me that the believer must also think that without it we are deserving of damnation. Doesn't responsibility pretty much go out the window with such a viewpoint? (And please -- no Pauline nonsense about the Law functioning only to demonstrate our hopelessly fallen nature.)
