What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Catholic_Lady]

I'm sorry, but the Church isn't forcing people to do anything. Of course, if we believe there is a moral way of doing something, we want people to follow it because we believe it's best for them. But at the end of the day it is their choice, as it should be.

Of course it isn't. It doesn't have to. It's enough that it indoctrinates generation after generation of children, who force their kids to go through the same.

Sects don't force people to do anything. At the end if the day, it's their choice to follow.

Emotional blackmail, threatening with eternal pain and controlling people's sexual urges is what's best for them? Lying about things you cannot possibly know for your personal gain is best for people?

Maybe it works out for some.

It infuriates me how you fail to see how harmful your church's doctrine is. Maybe it's my personal bias, right.

But since you're a moral objectivist, is threatening with torture moral?

Trust me, there are plenty of Catholics who do not follow some very fundamental Catholic laws about sexuality. The vast majority don't. I think if the Church was orchastrating massive brainwashing, more Catholics would follow their own laws. ;-)

I cannot relate to the things you describe above. I have not had those experiences at all in my whole life of being a devout Catholic and growing up in the Church. The way I was taught about sexual morality was far from "don't do it or you're going to hell." I am sorry if your experiences have been different, and as a member of the Church I take responsibility on our behalf for the poor way in which we approached the subject.

Yes, it is.

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"Your money or your life, your choice".....

People often choose to do something shitty in the face of a being willing to inflict great harm upon them if they don't.  I think it cheapens the notion of choice, and your excuses certainly cheapen the morality of choosing, in my eyes.

I am sorry, but I am not sure what you are referring to here.