What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Longhorn]

I've never gotten an honest answer so far and I've asked almost all theists

CL, how does anyone know anything about god?

I know you directed this to CL, but I would like to answer, also.

Several ways:

1. The material world around us speaks of an intelligent designer.
2. Logic and reason about how all this came into being.
3. Revelation of God making things known to us that we could not know otherwise.

Nope. Nuh uh Randy.

Those are your arguments for god's existence. I'm not asking about belief, I'm asking about knowledge. You don't need arguments for a fact.

The answer is: you don't know. You believe. And so does everybody else, including the authors of the bible.

That's why the god claim isn't worth anything. It's just making shit up.