RE: Miracle
June 20, 2015 at 12:22 pm
(This post was last modified: June 20, 2015 at 12:31 pm by Harris.)
(June 19, 2015 at 8:56 am)paulpablo Wrote: The quran doesn't give ANY scientific knowledge of neurons or how they are used to conduct and interpret signals or sensations.
"Indeed, those who disbelieve in Our verses - We will drive them into a Fire. Every time their skins are roasted through We will replace them with other skins so they may taste the punishment. Indeed, Allah is ever Exalted in Might and Wise."
The only information required to write this verse is that burning of the skin hurts.
I had given you a very good article, which clearly exhibits how people refer to pain in the history. They thought that sense of pain only depends on the brain or heart. However, recent researches show that it is in fact the skin, which contain pain receptors without which a person would not be able to feel pain. Therefore, the previous thought that brain or heart is responsible for pain turned out to be false.
For example, many doctors determine degree of burn by a pinprick. If the patient feels pain, it indicates that the burns are superficial and the pain receptors are intact. However, if the patient does not feel any pain that pinprick supposed to cause, it indicates that it is a deep burn and the pain receptors have been destroyed.
Now link this example with the verse of Quran:
“Those who reject our Signs, We shall soon cast into the Fire: as often as their skins are roasted through, We shall change them for fresh skins, that they may taste the penalty: for Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.”
An Nisaa (4)
-Verse 56-
This verse gives clear indication that roasted skin is a dead skin (no pain receptors) for that reason God will give fresh skin to the transgressor to continue his/her punishment.
Compare the article with this verse and contemplate whether the author of this verse was a man living in 7th century or not.
(June 19, 2015 at 9:56 am)robvalue Wrote: What? The "scientific facts" in the Quran disprove "human involvement"?
You don't think humans wrote the words down? I'd say it has nothing but human involvement by pure observation, the only question is whether there is room for any other kind of involvement.
Also, that makes no sense. Scientific knowledge and being God are two completely unrelated things. "You're so clever, you must be God"? If I knew loads of stuff that scientists don't know now and wouldn't learn for 2000 years, does that make me God? Or have I missed the window for application?
That is the point, how can someone make observation to unknown phenomenon without preliminary knowhow and proper tools. I can give you tons of evidences that would prove the incapacity of Prophet Mohammad and of anyone who was living in 7th century, to learn and conceptualise these contemporary scientific facts.
A violent example is the expansion of universe. Do you think anyone in 7th century was able to observe how the universe is expanding? Hubble discovered this fact just recently and even Einstein was in doubt about this fact so how comes an illiterate Bedouin knew this extra ordinary scientific fact in 7th Century AD.
Not anyone by any means can justify the presence of scientific facts in Quran even by providing them with a philosophical foundation. That is because the presence of scientific facts in Quran is in utter violation of natural laws. The only logical justification is GOD who is the Creator of everything.
(June 19, 2015 at 9:59 am)bennyboy Wrote: This is moving away from philosophy and into mindless proselytizing. Recommend relocation to a Religious Bullshit forum.
Can you provide a philosophical base to the scientific facts mentioned in Quran?