What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Catholic_Lady]

You said they didn't know any better and they are wrong, for consideirng these things to be moral. This suggests that you believe in a right way. A right morality.

But that's not objective, see. It's how you were brought up. It's how our societies work. Ultimately it's how we perceive good and evil. The fact that I view certain actions as wrong, doesn't make it objective. On the contratry.

Perhaps I'm wrong, and forgive me if I am. But it feels like at this point you are being dishonest to our discussion. You may need to clarify.

Let's do a rundown of how the last few posts between you and I have played out.

1.

I give you 2 examples of acts that I believe are objectively immoral, but that some societies (past and present) consider to be moral.
These acts are enslaving humans and burning rape victims.

2.

You refer to these past societies as "not knowing any better" in regards to the morality of these 2 acts.
You also say their beliefs on the morality of these 2 acts were "mistakes."
Finally, you say that these societies are "wrong" to think these acts are moral.

So, phrases you used to describe societies who consider these 2 acts moral, for thinking these 2 acts are moral:

a. "They did not know any better"

b. "We have since learned from these past mistakes"

c. "They were wrong"

Saying that they did not know any better suggests there's a better way. Saying it was a mistake suggests that is was not correct. Saying they were wrong, suggests there is a right.

This is exactly what objective morality means. It means there are certain acts that simply are immoral. You said so yourself:

"the people who think this is moral are wrong."
"The people who think this is moral don't know any better."
"The people who think this is moral made a mistake."

Those were all your words in regards to the fact that these societies thought/think enslavement of humans and burning rape victims is moral.

^You say all that, but then when confronted with your own words, you again go back to saying it's all relative to the society and that there is no real moral/immoral apart from what society deems fit.

So, if enslaving humans and burning rape victims is immoral only to our society and not written in stone anywhere, then why did you say the people who thought it was moral were wrong? Why did you say the people who thought it was moral didn't know any better? Why did you say the people who thought it was moral were making a mistake?