(June 21, 2015 at 12:23 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 12:10 pm)Randy Carson Wrote: Another mature response. ^ Sheesh...I feel like I'm in high school again.
I'm not defending anything. I'm explaining it...and why it is not as black and white as you anti-christers seem to believe. The Israelites were a stubborn, stiff-necked people. Here are a few assessments from various points in Israel's history:
- Exodus 32:9 “I have seen these people,” the Lord said to Moses, “and they are a stiff-necked people.
- Nehemiah 9:16 “But they, our ancestors, became arrogant and stiff-necked, and they did not obey your commands.
- Acts 7:51 “You stiff-necked people! Your hearts and ears are still uncircumcised. You are just like your ancestors: You always resist the Holy Spirit!
From Moses to Nehemiah to Stephen...you can see what God was dealing with. Consequently, God had to bring the Israelites along slowly...forming His people little by little...weaning them away from false gods and other beliefs and customs.
Here's a classic from Jesus:
Matthew 19
When Jesus had finished saying these things, he left Galilee and went into the region of Judea to the other side of the Jordan. 2 Large crowds followed him, and he healed them there. 3 Some Pharisees came to him to test him. They asked, “Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any and every reason?” 4 “Haven’t you read,” he replied, “that at the beginning the Creator ‘made them male and female,’[a] 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and the two will become one flesh’? 6 So they are no longer two, but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” 7 “Why then,” they asked, “did Moses command that a man give his wife a certificate of divorce and send her away?” 8 Jesus replied, “[b]Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. 9 I tell you that anyone who divorces his wife, except for sexual immorality, and marries another woman commits adultery.”
Catch that?
Moses permitted the people to divorce but Jesus commanded us to step up our game.
Same with slavery. It was permitted, but now it's not. We've been molded by God.[/b]
What you just posted in bold has absolutely nothing to do with slavery, another dishonest attempt to avoid the point. You tried to accuse people of misrepresenting slavery of the bible while leaving out a huge portion of it and trying to downplay it. Your not trying to explain it because if you where you would not have left out a lot of the really heinous parts, what you are trying to do is downplay the atrocities commanded by your pathetic holy book.
Why is it that every time YOU fail to understand or agree with me, I'm being dishonest. Maybe you're just being stupid.
What I quoted from Jesus is an EXAMPLE of the way that He took something that WAS permitted in the OT (like divorce) and said, in effect, "Okay, this is no longer acceptable."
IOW, God turned the screws of the clamps a little tighter to bring His people more closely in line with His will.
Do you know what it means to train a vine? It requires patience and pruning; otherwise, the vine will break.
