RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 21, 2015 at 2:24 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 2:33 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 21, 2015 at 2:11 pm)Brakeman Wrote:(June 20, 2015 at 11:25 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: There is no greater love than to die for somebody.
Absolutely wrong!!!
I respect your opinion, but still believe I am right on this.
(June 21, 2015 at 2:15 pm)Metis Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You mean without believing in God? Yes. :-)
I have said this all along.
Indeed, but this is misleading again.
You admit that people can make moral choices without the Catholic Church, but a core reaching of the Catholic Church is that it is impossible to be moral as a characteristic without being a Catholic.
I don't mean to be misleading. It's just a tricky question for me to answer, and I think if you put yourself in my shoes you'll be able to see why.
I believe that God created morality and goodness. So I do not think it would exist without Him. (and of course, I don't think anything would exist without him). So the short answer is, yes, you do not need to believe in God to make moral choices.
But without God, there would be no such thing as moral choices.
Does that make more sense?
(June 21, 2015 at 2:17 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 2:14 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Would you say have something inside of you that tells you that love, kindness, honesty, generosity... are all good things?
Yes; it's called serotonin.
Right, so you do have a notion of it?
(June 21, 2015 at 2:21 pm)Nope Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 1:50 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: They had a huge advantage. They had Jesus to go off of, who is God and made Himself man, and spoke to us directly. The OT folks did not have that.
Jesus and god are the same being so they did have Jesus.
I think you know what I mean.
God had not made Himself man and come down to talk directly to us for 33 years. The best understanding we have of God is when He came and spoke directly to us as one of us.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
