(June 21, 2015 at 4:43 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 2:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: You mean without believing in God? Yes. :-)
I have said this all along.
Ok so god is not needed for morality nor is he the one creating morality, so he would be governed by the same objective morality we are. Now I have to ask if you believe in an objective morality where slavery, killing, rape and genocide are wrong, why does god order these actions in the bible? Is god immoral or are we immoral?
I believe He created morality, and if it weren't for Him, there would be no such thing. But a person does not need to believe in God to make moral choices. Does that make my position more clear to you?
The second part I have address numerous times all throughout this very thread. Even as recently as just a few pages back, if you want to look.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
