What IS good, and how do we determine it?

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Since you want to call m e out for twisting a definition:
Suicide
noun
1. the intentional taking of one's own life.
2. destruction of one's own interests or prospects:
   Buying that house was financial suicide.
3.a person who intentionally takes his or her own life.
verb (used without object), suicided, suiciding.
4.to commit suicide.
verb (used with object), suicided, suiciding.
5.to kill (oneself).
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I see nothing there about your claim that suicide is "an unjustified self murder."


Taking your own life is suicide, no matter how you dress it up.

So would you classify every soldier in that has died as a suicide? No? Because it wasn't intentional? What if a soldier was surrounded by the enemy and had no way out but to take down as many of them with him and just stormed out with guns blazing? There are instances where you could say that the soldier was committing "suicide" but no one would even think to imply that to his grieving family. And even if you could parse and find a way to say that the soldiers death by definition was a suicide it would not change the fact that his death had a justified cause. Jesus did not kill himself and he never would have. Saying it was a suicide is like saying every soldier that has died in combat committed suicide since they knew of the possible outcome

That's a mighty nice straw man you've built here. Not only are you not addressing any actual argument I've made, you're not even coming close. Hell, I wasn't even the one to claim the jeebus took his own life. That was C_L and if you're reading comprehension weren't so utterly lacking you'd already know that. You tried to change the definition of the word suicide to prop up you argument. I pointed out where you were wrong. I have said nothing on my beliefs about suicide, only that taking your own life is suicide, no matter how you dress it up. Quit trying to tell me what my arguments are.

You are giving me great example of subjective morality. As I have pointed out, suicide is the taking of one's own life. The kathy-lick church has defined suicide as a sin. Being that cathy-lick morality is objective, as stated by C_L, then suicide cannot be acceptable in any form, because it is a sin. This is the trouble with objective morals, far more so than other people holding different morals. They can (theoretically) be taught the "correct" morality. By taking any morality as objective, there is no room whatsoever for taking in the context. Suicide is a sin, plain and simple. No exceptions. So, if jeebus did choose of his own free will to die... Only subjective morality can get you out of that.