RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 21, 2015 at 8:34 pm
(This post was last modified: June 21, 2015 at 8:37 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 21, 2015 at 7:18 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 12:07 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like I said, though He didn't specifically address slavery, He told us "love your enemy," and "love your neighbor as yourself." and "treat others how you want them to treat you."
He probably didn't specifically address rape either, as well as other specific things. But like slavery, I think that's a given... considering his commandment to love.
I don't think any honest person could read the entire life of Jesus and come out of it with the take way that He condones enslaving people.
The idea that one of his instructions to slaves was not "Rise up, because the Good Lord will strengthen your right arm against the slave master", but rather, "be meek and obedient to him like you are to me" speaks volumes about not only his alleged views about slavery -- that it was acceptable because this world is meaningless, only the next one counts -- but also to the mindset he wants in his own believers. Believers are not to question the master. They are not to exhibit will of their own. They are to accept and obey commands given them by the master, on pain of eternal punishment.
Of course such a god would endorse slavery in this world ... it is, after all, exactly what he has planned for you.
If you think Jesus condoned slavery, then what do you make of His commandment to love everyone, even our enemies, to love our neighbor as ourselves, and to treat others how we want to be treated?
You're looking at the paragraph in the bible where Jesus addresses slaves and forming the conclusion that, because He didn't tell them to try to run away or to fight, He must have condoned it. Objectively speaking, don't you think that you can form a much more accurate conclusion about what He meant and where He stands on the issue by looking at the entirety of what He taught, and His character?
(June 21, 2015 at 7:20 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Also, I just wanted to point something out: there's no way in the world such a vigorous debate as this one would be supported on a religious website.
Kudos to AF.
I don't know what site you are referring to, but the site I was a member of had debates just as heated (if not more so) than this one.
Only difference it people didn't use foul language and resort to personal attacks. But it got just as passionate.
Randy can attest to this.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
