(June 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 21, 2015 at 9:24 pm)Parkers Tan Wrote: Seems to me your boy has some moral relativity happening inside his own heart there. Would you treat others in the manner of chattel? Does loving your neighbor entail forcing them to work from sunup to sundown without compensation outside of food and shelter, lacking the freedom to come and go as they please, even lacking the freedom to refuse your offer? Well, Jesus apparently thought that was a good deal, because as we've seen already, he counseled slaves to "chillax, brotha, love your master and obey him as you would me".
The answer to all those questions, of course, is no. Which is precisely why honestly believing that Jesus condoned slavery seems very strange to me.
When Jesus told us to turn the other cheek if we get slapped, do you think He meant it's moral to slap someone? When He told us to give someone our shirt if they steal our coat, do you think He meant it's moral to steal?
What are you on about? Jesus said treat others as you'd have them treat you, and yet he also says treat your slavemaster like you do your god in heaven ... but quite frankly, would you be kind to a man who had stolen your freedom? Would you worship a man who controlled every aspect of your life as a whim?
And more to the point, why would Jesus give this advice to slaves? Methinks Jesus wants folks who are accustomed to such self-abnegation. Methinks ole Jesus wants folks who value that sort of slave mentality.
(June 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Perhaps I'm wrong here and forgive me if I am. But I feel as though you are being dishonest in this. I feel as though you are *wanting* to be able to say "Jesus condoned slavery."
Nonsense. You have to understand how to infer facts from what is written. You, who have throughout this thread have told everyone else that interpretation is required to understand the Bible, are now arguing that you aren't allowed to interpret the actions of Jesus in the context of his times.
Nonsense. Rexy is right, your mental gymnastics are hurting my back.
(June 21, 2015 at 9:51 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: And so you are ignoring everything else He taught and just relying on one paragraph addressed where He doesn't order them to run away or fight back. I think that if you were being completely objective and completely honest, you would not be doing this. I don't understand why you would have a desire to do this. Again, forgive me if I'm wrong about you here, but please clarify.
Because you are ignoring this inconvenient paragraph in order to maintain your perspective on your Savior. You are quite literally ignoring a salient fact about his behavior in the face of what you yourself have condemned in order to preserve your image of him.
In other words ... as I've said to you several times already ... you are cherry-picking the Bible in order to support your own morality which has already been established. You are ignoring those parts which contravene your preferred view.
That doesn't make you a bad person, but it doesn't make you a convincing person, either.
If you want to convince me that you have even the smallest understanding of the Jesus you worship, you will need to account for all his actions, not just claim the ones which make him look good. Until then, meh ... you're a Christian dodging questions on an internet forum -- color me shocked.
