RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 23, 2015 at 5:38 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2015 at 5:40 pm by Randy Carson.)
(June 23, 2015 at 5:28 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 5:20 pm)pocaracas Wrote: No one's making any case.
You're arguing that the book contains rules, supposedly handed down by the god character, which are, as seen from today's western POV, morally bankrupt - it is thus a sign that the morality followed by humans is changing with time.
Randy's arguing that his god always hands down morally solid rules well adjusted for those old times, but people, nowadays, misunderstand them.... the rules remain morally sound, the applicability just needs some tweaking.
You're both saying the same thing, while failing to define what the heck it means for something to BE Moral.... so each claims whatever s/he wants for that word.
No, poca; what you quoted was in response to Randy saying that his god doesn't condone rape, and that by saying he does, I'm lying. It's a side conversation brought on by the objective/subjective morality debate. As far as how that part of the debate is going, I agree with you.
When you say God condones rape, you lie.
You lie.
I have shown you the verses from the law which show how the Israelite men were to treat the women with respect, to allow them to mourn for the loss of their fathers and brothers and that they were to MARRY these women, which in the eyes of God you may recall, makes them one flesh as man and wife.
Now, it was 4,000 years ago, times WERE different and God did move the Israelites from a position of being total barbarians to being a cultured civilized people...just in time for Jesus to be incarnate among them.
But that doesn't suit the narrative you want to believe.
So, YOU LIE by taking a few verses out of context while ignoring the others which I brought to your attention.
Oh, sure...easy for you to claim "rape" from the comfort of your modern American culture with all of its laws and protections for its weaker members (formed largely by Christians, btw)...but if you were a woman living in a primitive region of the world 4,000 years ago, I'm pretty damn sure you would have considered yourself VERY FORTUNATE to have fallen into the hands of the Israelite army rather than those of the Canaanites.
And why would you consider yourself blessed, becca? Because God did not and does not condone rape.
