RE: What IS good, and how do we determine it?
June 23, 2015 at 9:41 pm
(This post was last modified: June 23, 2015 at 9:42 pm by Catholic_Lady.)
(June 23, 2015 at 8:20 pm)Mr.wizard Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 7:58 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Like I said, the Church is silent on the interpretation of these bible passages (leaving it up for the reader to form their own understanding). The Church also teaches that rape is immoral and that God does not change. Using this information, I personally believe that these stories are allegorical. I do not believe God commanded the men to forcefully marry these virgins.
I can only speak for myself and how I have come to understand this.
I know that these passages don't portray rape as immoral. I was speaking about the Church. The Church does consider rape immoral, and at the end of the day, that's all that matters.
Thank you for clearing this up for Wizard on my behalf. I appreciate it.
Wait what? You just said you think the story is allegorical and that god did not command these men to rape. I pointed out that whether you think the story is allegorical or literal god was clearly commanding the men to rape.
God in the story was commanding them to rape. God in real life, on the other hand, I don't believe ever did this.
As I said before, the OT God is portrayed through the filter of man, who wrote it. The OT was not written by God Himself, and so it is not infallible.
(June 23, 2015 at 8:28 pm)Simon Moon Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 7:32 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: Well for the record, I definitely don't think rape is moral. It is, in fact, one of the things I have listed as inherently immoral.
As for all the bible talk about rape, I will say that the Catholic Church is silent on the proper interpretation of many biblical passages, and Catholics are free to interpret them literally or allegorically. While I see them strictly as didactic fiction, Randy seems to have taken a more literal view. To us Catholics, regardless of some of the stories in the OT, the Church most certainly does teach that both slavery and rape are contrary to human dignity and thus immoral. And I think at the end of the day, that's really what matters. In the grand scheme of things, and as long as Randy and I both adhere to Church teaching, whether or not we interpret these stories in the same way, is just details.
The cognitive dissonance is strong with this one.
That's some world class mental gymnastics you got going on there.
It is what the Church teaches.
"Of course, everyone will claim they respect someone who tries to speak the truth, but in reality, this is a rare quality. Most respect those who speak truths they agree with, and their respect for the speaking only extends as far as their realm of personal agreement. It is less common, almost to the point of becoming a saintly virtue, that someone truly respects and loves the truth seeker, even when their conclusions differ wildly."
-walsh
-walsh
