(June 23, 2015 at 10:09 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 6:24 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote: PT, if the war is in the realm of defense, then I would call this a justifiable war. This can include a nation defending themselves, or a nation defending another people that are being killed. Personally, I think very few wars fall into this category.
As for the death penalty, yes, I am against it.
So, soldiers defending their units in one of the unjust Bush oil wars are immoral then?!? Those are not examples of war we fought to defend ourselves.
(June 23, 2015 at 10:34 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 10:09 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: So, soldiers defending their units in one of the unjust Bush oil wars are immoral then?!? Those are not examples of war we fought to defend ourselves.
The soldiers defending themselves was not immoral. But I do think the decision to go to war was. I don't know all the ins and outs of it, but I remember the pope of the time being very much against it. So chances are I probably would too if I knew.
(edited. sorry, i'm watching a movie)
(June 23, 2015 at 10:48 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 10:46 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: You have previously claimed that killing in a just war is not immoral. Now you want to have your cake and eat it too?
I don't see how what I said above negates my earlier statement about just war.
(June 23, 2015 at 11:38 pm)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 23, 2015 at 11:23 pm)SnakeOilWarrior Wrote: You really believe Bush invading Iraq for revenge is a just war?!?
No, I said it wasn't.
So, at this point I'm not even sure what to take from this. You seem to think that killing in a just war is moral, but immoral if the war is unjust. Ok. Then you make opposing statements about whether Bush's wars are just.
Killing is moral in a just war. Is Bush's oil war just and if not, are the soldiers defending their units from the "enemy" moral or immoral.
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