(June 24, 2015 at 1:46 am)Catholic_Lady Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 1:37 am)rexbeccarox Wrote: You never know... what, exactly? And why would you trust someone who is fallible until he claims otherwise? That's pretty circular, and completely untrustworthy. What if, say, the pope said one day, "ok- I'm declaring myself infallible. Everybody is now to worship Satan." Or what about... I dunno... the fact that a bunch of popes have denied the idea of papal infallibility full stop? Popes: the people who are supposed to be able to proclaim their own infallibility, for chrissakes.
So, really, truly, honestly: what is the point of the pope?
Sorry I did not make myself clear. What I meant was not that the pope says "ok, I'm infallible now!" But rather, he says "I have an infallible announcement to make in regards to faith or morals." ...and then he does so.
Like I said, this is very very rare.
Even though Popes are people who are still capable of making mistakes and acting immorally, we believe that when it comes to making infallible announcements, they literally cannot do so unless it is directly inspired by the holy spirit.
What is the difference? It's still circular, whether it's him proclaiming his own infallibility, or the infallibility of his words. I realize it's rare. I read; a lot.
Can you please answer a question straight: If there have been (quite a few) popes in the past who have denied papal infallibility (and please don't correct me on this term; it's the correct one) how can you possibly believe it's true?
Nolite te bastardes carborundorum.
