What IS good, and how do we determine it?

[Catholic_Lady]

Just to clarify, the Church actually does not teach that anal foreplay is wrong. When a Catholic says they believe it to be wrong, they are speaking on their own opinions and not on any official Church teaching.

The book, Moral Theology, which was used by priests in the confessional distinguishes between what is called 'perfect sodomy' and 'imperfect sodomy". This is what is says about Imperfect sodomy:

"it is neither sodomy nor a sin if intercourse is begun in the rectal manner with the intention of completing it in the natural manner" (Jone "Moral Theology" 757)

Ah, you highlight an interesting point there Catholic_Lady, that itself is another interesting change in Church Teaching. Previously the Church forbade sodomy full stop, but after John Paul II released the Theology of the Body it became fine for heterosexual couples. Of course with the provision that the man must ejaculate within the vagina so there's still a chance of babies in theory, that's still a must. If he cums before then it's a sin.

I'm not making that up http://www.worldcat.org/title/iota-unum-...c/35022655 . There's probably other places you can read this too, most Traditionalist Catholic sites like those of the SSPX have several pages worth of "evidence" condemning John Paul II for doing this.

I think the reason given for why anal sex without climax became ok was a "change in perception across history about what constituted a contraceptive act". Really I just think it was giving a bit of ground to the sexual revolution.

-and you?  Do you enjoy a little rimming before being railed?  I'm remembering, now, what I found so delicious about catholic girls -then-.  We have a subforum you might want to join......shame is intoxicating, my love.

This is incorrect. The book I quoted was written in 1929 before JPII was pope, by a man named Heribert Jone. Theology of the Body is a different book. True sodomy is defined by climaxing outside of the vagina, regardless of where exactly. That is still considered a sin.

I can't speak for the SSPX since I am not associated with them and know nothing about them.

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Yeah I can't really relate to it at all It was bad enough my boyfreind not having any idea what the hell to do in the sack since the sex education Catholics get is so limited (I swear he didn't even know what a condom looked like, he thought I had sweets in the bedside cabinet ) but....I don't know. I'm not sure I even WANT to know.

Neither do catholic girls.....at first.......they quickly become pros - and they can -always- explain why -whatever it is they're doing- is "a-ok" with the church.  As we saw with our favorite catholic, above.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ttw5a6xRj6c

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High five!

And just for the record, since the choice has been made to speak about me in this manner, anal foreplay is not something I have ever or will ever be interested in doing.