(June 24, 2015 at 1:42 pm)Won2blv Wrote:(June 24, 2015 at 1:12 pm)Rhythm Wrote: That an argument begins with a subjective value judgement such as "do you want to be a slave" doesn't actually -mean- that the argument is an appeal to emotion, or even fallacious. -All- value judgments begin this way, and -all- arguments pursuant to those value judgments originate from this point.
The key is this, as it is in -any- argument, after having agreed that you do not wish to be a slave...what can be reasonably and logically inferred from that starting point, can you make a slave of another?
I would never agree to be a slave because I would rather have my current job and freedom to do as I wish. But this is completely disingenuous to the day and age of the bible. Slaves were not denied the freedom to start a coffee shop or be able to work at best buy. They were basically denied the ability to hoe someone else field. And like I mentioned in another post, the Hebrew slaves willingly entered into this agreement so they obviously didn't feel that it was demeaning or immoral to be a slave or to hold slaves. Non Hebrews weren't given the same rights and prospect of freedom but I know that God did command the Jews to be kind and accepting to the alien residents. Even reminding them that they were slaves in a foreign land and mistreated.
As I pointed out in the op, the law of god made a difference between how Jewish slaves wwere treated and how the Jews were allowed to treat everryone else that they enslaved. Was biblical slavery cruel?
Exodus 21:20-21
20 And if a man smite his servant, or his maid, with a rod, and he die under his hand; he shall be surely punished.
21 Notwithstanding, if he continue a day or two, he shall not be punished: for he is his money
This may be a step up from American slavery where no master ws ever punished for killing his slaves, but would you exonerate a man who beat you if you lived on for a day or two? Maybe I shouldn't ask you that since you seem to think it's okay to treat others in a way you wouldn't want to be treated.
Maybe I should rephrase my question as from where do we get the idea that enslaving gentiles is evil.
The god who allows children to be raped out of respect for the free will choice of the rapist, but punishes gay men for engaging in mutually consensual sex couldn't possibly be responsible for an intelligently designed universe.
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I may defend your right to free speech, but i won't help you pass out flyers.
Those who can make you believe absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.
--Voltaire
Nietzsche isn't dead. How do I know he lives? He lives in my mind.